[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Manivxr

then you would seek redress from the wheel manufacturer if the wheel was substandard with regards to safety.

Yeah, good luck with that one.

I'm sure the company that made copies of £1600 wheels, for £400 are big on ISO9001, TS16949, ISO14001, etc and will show you traceability on the 'any old sh#t grade of aluminium' they use.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by JD6

They do seem unusually high figures for the 30d engine - close to 100bhp gain. I am always sceptical of rolling road numbers. Have you measured a standing quarter mile?

Quite ... from memory I think the car had a high reading as stock too.

Regarding mods and insurance I don't think they would get away with not paying out if you had an accident and didn't declare changing the grills from chrome to black .. but you might have problems if they found it was remapped and you hadn't declared that.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Hooded

Regarding mods and insurance I don't think they would get away with not paying out if you had an accident and didn't declare changing the grills from chrome to black .. but you might have problems if they found it was remapped and you hadn't declared that.

Whilst that might be true. The reality will play out a little more long winded and stressful than your summation.

Chances are you'll get a response after an accident, which goes something like "your car had undisclosed modifications, which has rendered our policy null and void, we are therefore not paying out and closing your claim"

It will then be up to you to hire legal representation, and take the action to a court to decide upon who is right.
Long months of mounting legal bills, which if you lose will more than double as you'll be picking up their legal tab too. All this with no guarantee you will win.

As always in a David vs. Goliath situation, being right is not always as useful as you might think.

I think it's much easier to just inform them of everything?!?!?

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by JD6

They do seem unusually high figures for the 30d engine - close to 100bhp gain. I am always sceptical of rolling road numbers. Have you measured a standing quarter mile?

Car was tested before and it was 290BHP

Standard car should be 258BHP not 245BHP

A lot of 30Ds run 285BHP standard

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Whilst that might be true. The reality will play out a little more long winded and stressful than your summation.

Chances are you'll get a response after an accident, which goes something like "your car had undisclosed modifications, which has rendered our policy null and void, we are therefore not paying out and closing your claim"

It will then be up to you to hire legal representation, and take the action to a court to decide upon who is right.
Long months of mounting legal bills, which if you lose will more than double as you'll be picking up their legal tab too. All this with no guarantee you will win.

As always in a David vs. Goliath situation, being right is not always as useful as you might think.

I think it's much easier to just inform them of everything?!?!?

Exactly that, trying to be clever and not disclosing everything will end up in tears.

To much risk v the reward of keeping quiet

[JD6]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Car was tested before and it was 290BHP

Standard car should be 4258BHP not 245BHP

A lot of 30Ds run 285BHP standard

Cheers. I do have my reservations about rolling road figures, having had a very high figure from a previous car, and have seen other similarly surprising results. As businesses, they are in an odd position where all of their paying customers hope to see a high number. Rather like fortune tellers who tend to offer good news as it encourages repeat business.

It would be interesting to see if the quarter mile figure backed up that result. 345bhp sounds a lot from a 30d, but I'm no expert.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by JD6

Cheers. I do have my reservations about rolling road figures, having had a very high figure from a previous car, and have seen other similarly surprising results. As businesses, they are in an odd position where all of their paying customers hope to see a high number. Rather like fortune tellers who tend to offer good news as it encourages repeat business.

It would be interesting to see if the quarter mile figure backed up that result. 345bhp sounds a lot from a 30d, but I'm no expert.

I agree, and not meaning to burst anyone's bouble but Id be surprised if anyones 330d can produce actual performance time figures to back up 340/350bhp readings unless the car has had other performance enhancing modifications done before the remap thus making it what's known in the trade as a stage 2 or 3 remap!

The important thing is to get a before and after reading done on the same dyno, that way regardless of the figure you at least have a good idea of the actual gains achieved by the remap

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Whilst that might be true. The reality will play out a little more long winded and stressful than your summation.

Chances are you'll get a response after an accident, which goes something like "your car had undisclosed modifications, which has rendered our policy null and void, we are therefore not paying out and closing your claim"

It will then be up to you to hire legal representation, and take the action to a court to decide upon who is right.
Long months of mounting legal bills, which if you lose will more than double as you'll be picking up their legal tab too. All this with no guarantee you will win.

As always in a David vs. Goliath situation, being right is not always as useful as you might think.

I think it's much easier to just inform them of everything?!?!?

I won't disagree with your points here..they are good and valid, although I wouldn't be 'too concerned' about something like just the grills personally, hell if I had a accident I'd rip them off before the recovery truck arrived or swap them back over to the standard ones when I got home if the cars still drivable.

[ZeroFx]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Car was tested before and it was 290BHP

Standard car should be 258BHP not 245BHP

A lot of 30Ds run 285BHP standard

BS rolling road figures.

no way a 30d puts out 345 BHP.

[335dxdrive]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

BS rolling road figures.

no way a 30d puts out 345 BHP.

My 335d made 400 bhp on the dyno with just stage 1, do you think that is also un-realistic ??

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

BS rolling road figures.

no way a 30d puts out 345 BHP.

Typical response from someone who has only half the facts.

If you would have read the original post on this you would also have read that it's not the numbers that are important but the increase from the car on the same rollers on the same day (15 minutes before) in standard tune v the map.

The car increased by 52 BHP and 100Nm

I am not interested in pub talk numbers but the increase over stock

[Liquidfox]

Originally Posted by teaston

Also insurance companies can’t refuse payouts because of undeclared mods anymore, the government put a stop to that a couple of years ago.

They can void your policy, leaving you with a massive bill and an IN10 conviction.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Liquidfox

They can void your policy, leaving you with a massive bill and an IN10 conviction.

But for what? Obviously if you fit a bigger engine or a wide body kit etc. that completely changes the car then yes they most probably would, but for things like stickers, boot lip spoiler, different style diffuser, black grilles etc. I cannot see the insurance companies getting away with it.

[Manivxr]

Originally Posted by teaston

If you can track them down in China!

No chance lol

[ZeroFx]

Originally Posted by 335dxdrive

My 335d made 400 bhp on the dyno with just stage 1, do you think that is also un-realistic ??

There are 2 turbos in that engine and it always had more headroom than the 30d for that reason.

Id say 40-50hp is reasonable increase over stock. Any more than that then its questionable on the 30d. The 35d maybe 70-80hp

These rolling roads are always questionable though as they are easily manipulated. You would need a reference car to test against as a baseline and work from that.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by teaston

But for what? Obviously if you fit a bigger engine or a wide body kit etc. that completely changes the car then yes they most probably would, but for things like stickers, boot lip spoiler, different style diffuser, black grilles etc. I cannot see the insurance companies getting away with it.

True but as mentioned above it's possible it could result in a legal battle and its just not worth it.

[AlanYoro35i]

Originally Posted by 37psi

Someone correct me if I am wrong but a pedal box is not increasing the power of the car so why would they consider it a performance modification?! :

what is a pedal box?

[teaston]

Originally Posted by kylemacca01

True but as mentioned above it's possible it could result in a legal battle and its just not worth it.

I say it’s just not worth paying hundreds of pounds per year extra for insurance unnecessarily.

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by teaston

But for what? Obviously if you fit a bigger engine or a wide body kit etc. that completely changes the car then yes they most probably would, but for things like stickers, boot lip spoiler, different style diffuser, black grilles etc. I cannot see the insurance companies getting away with it.

Believe me, I’m not siding with the insurance companies but, by the same token, I can’t see why they wouldn’t get away with it. In fact they wouldn’t be getting with anything. They would simply be applying the terms of the contract that you agreed to.

The problem with saying, well I don’t see a problem not telling the insurance about grilles (and I’m with you in this) is where does it stop? Where is the line between that and a body kit? Simple, you have to declare all mods.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by teaston

I say it’s just not worth paying hundreds of pounds per year extra for insurance unnecessarily.

I have found that unless its a significant performance mod then the effect on insurance is minimal. M perf interior and mp exhaust on my m140i cost me £7.50 with admiral.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by kylemacca01

I have found that unless its a significant performance mod then the effect on insurance is minimal. M perf interior and mp exhaust on my m140i cost me £7.50 with admiral.

I found that adding any mods meant that the majority of insurers didn't even provide a quote on the comparison sites anymore!

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by teaston

I found that adding any mods meant that the majority of insurers didn't even provide a quote on the comparison sites anymore!

We have gotten to the stage now where comparison sites constantly churn out the most expensive quotes, admiral, aviva etc are usually far more competitive.