[RPM90]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The reason I was thinking about 328i is 335i already has better brakes, 2NH is less of an upgrade there. And as far as parts go, for 335i 2NH is strictly rotors, calipers, and pads.

Non US markets got that option and we didn't, and frankly I think the only reason BMW did that is to get greater sales for the M Performance brakes.
They released the M Performance brakes in the US market, while holding off on giving us the M Sport option, for NO good reason. They fit, and they work just fine on F30's around the world except for the US F30's? I don't think so.

"M sport" brake option is a great deal considering it comes with the same Brembo calipers as the M Performance brakes AND larger rotors.
The only difference between the optional M Sport brakes and M Performance brakes would be that M Performance get dimpled, slotted, and vented rotors, plus you get the option of yellow, red, or orange calipers, but no blue, as blue calipers identify the brakes as M Sport.

In the US market F30 Msport line comes with a different pad compound compared to the pad used for the other lines.
Msport gets the "Euro" pad, which is claimed to have higher friction material, but it's also a more dusty pad.

For the price, the M Sport brakes are a better deal than M Performance, if the M Sport brakes do come with the same Brembo calipera and larger rotors.
The dimpling and slotting looks great, but it's mostly cosmetic.
The dimples and slots do have the potential to provide a bit better brake performance due to the ability to expel pad material gases, and maybe better ventilation with more venting in the space between the two rotor sides, which would help keeping brake fade away for longer.
But that is not worth the added cost for the M Performance
over the M Sport.

The price for M Sport brakes is lower because BMW doesn't then give you 2 brakes sets, and there isn't any additional install charge.
With M Performance the customer has to pay for all the new brake parts and to get them installed, whereas the M Sport brakes are installed at the factory. With M Performance you've already paid for the OEM brake parts, and after the new brakes are on you have a set of the OEM brakes.
I don't know if there is a market for those used parts to help recover some cost.
If BMW would have offered the M Sport brake option for 2013 I would have ordered that option no question.



Off topic rant: Talking about the new steering racks for later 2013 and potentially new rack for 2014 models.

So this is great for new buyers, but those of us who helped BMW sell the initial F30 offerings it kind of sucks. The thing that really ticks me off is the new steering rack. I believe the current 2013's have the gen rack. There has been 1 new version, and it may actually be 2 versions newer than my 335i that I ordered for July 2013 build.

It hasn't even been a year and BMW has already made and installed 2 versions of the rack with potentially a whole new 4th gen rack for 2014 build.
There have been a few people who had an early 2013 who then got new replacement F30's, due to other problems they were having, and they've said that the new rack is distinctly BETTER, offers better feel and better heft.
That's just BS for those of us who truly value BMW performance over cosmetics and technology like new leather colors and better NAV.
We all know that the steering feel in the 2012 and early 2013 F30's is NOT up to BMW standards and those of us who appreciate the legendary BMW steering and feel know there was something wrong. But, we don't get a fix, no new racks for us.

BS! Clearly BMW knows something isn't right about the initial racks and that's why they've already improved and redesigned it TWICE in less than a year. Yes, it's great that BMW addressed an issue that was widely criticized by most auto media. It's great that they are using a newly designed rack, but where's the remedy for those of us who already purchased?
When the E46 came out BMW lightened the steering so much that there was media and owner outcry, and BMW addressed it and with the new model year they fixed it. But, they also offered the fix to owners who already bought their cars with the light steering. Thus, all were now pleased.
BMW needs to do that for those of us who've already committed and purchased. It's not just about the lack of "feel" or the light effort, it's also about all the steering vibration, and odds noises from the rack.
Mine in particular didn't have the vibration problem, but it's got an odd metallic thunk when turning left or right especially in winter.
I will be taking this up with BMWNA corporate.

Sorry for the rant, but I had to.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by SamS

I have all of those options, I actually have every option except Parking Assistant. HUD is awesome. If you have to give up one thing, probably M-sport brakes. You listen to the HK everyday, and can always use the back up camera.

Launch control - http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836752

I can see some who value those things, but I can't agree with it.

Added performance options should never be given up for techno niceties like HUD or NAV.
For those of us who value the BMW driving experience more than the "lux" items, M Sport brakes X10> than HUD.
You're buying a driving machine not a living room.

[Frank_NJ]

Originally Posted by DVCperformance

Frank, did you place your order already? If so, when, and with which dealer? (Mine is still telling me that he hasn't seen any allocations yet... : /

I deal with Openroad and they got allocations for week 27, 28, and 29. I have week 27 allocation which is the first week of July.

[Frank_NJ]

Originally Posted by RPM90

BS! Clearly BMW knows something isn't right about the initial racks and that's why they've already improved and redesigned it TWICE in less than a year. Yes, it's great that BMW addressed an issue that was widely criticized by most auto media. It's great that they are using a newly designed rack, but where's the remedy for those of us who already purchased?
When the E46 came out BMW lightened the steering so much that there was media and owner outcry, and BMW addressed it and with the new model year they fixed it. But, they also offered the fix to owners who already bought their cars with the light steering. Thus, all were now pleased.
BMW needs to do that for those of us who've already committed and purchased. It's not just about the lack of "feel" or the light effort, it's also about all the steering vibration, and odds noises from the rack.
Mine in particular didn't have the vibration problem, but it's got an odd metallic thunk when turning left or right especially in winter.
I will be taking this up with BMWNA corporate.

Sorry for the rant, but I had to.

I know what he is talking about as I had of one those 2001 E46 330i sedans and they offered the rack change and I had it done back then. The car had a great feel afterwards and in the end did it cost BMW a lot....no it made for customer satisfaction and loyalty.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I can see some who value those things, but I can't agree with it.

Added performance options should never be given up for techno niceties like HUD or NAV.
For those of us who value the BMW driving experience more than the "lux" items, M Sport brakes X10> than HUD.
You're buying a driving machine not a living room.

Which performance option did I give up, in exchange for Nav/HUD/etc? My car has 335hp, and most certainly feels like The Ultimate Driving Machine. If I didn't value the "BMW Driving Experience", I would have saved myself $30K and bought a new Honda Accord, instead.

Besides, if you really an ultimate driving machine, you should be buying a dedicated track car and go bananas at an event not on public roads. My car spends 99.9% of its life in traffic, near pedestrians and cops. If I'm just cruising along, you'd better believe I want my comfy seats, internet radio, HUD, Nav, smartphone integration, cameras, upgraded stereo, etc.

[Frank_NJ]

Originally Posted by SamS

Which performance option did I give up, in exchange for Nav/HUD/etc? My car has 335hp, and most certainly feels like The Ultimate Driving Machine. If I didn't value the "BMW Driving Experience", I would have saved myself $30K and bought a new Honda Accord, instead.

Besides, if you really an ultimate driving machine, you should be buying a dedicated track car and go bananas at an event not on public roads. My car spends 99.9% of its life in traffic, near pedestrians and cops. If I'm just cruising along, you'd better believe I want my comfy seats, internet radio, HUD, Nav, smartphone integration, cameras, upgraded stereo, etc.

Very well put and that is why I ordered my 2014 335ix loaded up might as well have the best of both technology and performance.

[ejholt]

BMW has offered me another Trade Assist and ordered a fully loaded 2014 335i xDrive M-Sport on Friday. Car is already allocated to be built 1st week in July and will take delivery early/mid August.

In addition they have agreed to move $10K in aftermarket from the current F30 to the new one free of charge.

[nyc4runnin]

so they are taking 2014 MY orders now ? when will bmwconfig get this pricing/info updates on their website ?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Added performance options should never be given up for techno niceties like HUD or NAV.
For those of us who value the BMW driving experience more than the "lux" items, M Sport brakes X10> than HUD.
You're buying a driving machine not a living room.

If "techno niceties" like Active Cruise and cutting-edge telematics wasn't so important to me I'd be shopping for a used M5 or M3 instead of a 2014 328i.

[DVC]

Originally Posted by Frank_NJ

I deal with Openroad and they got allocations for week 27, 28, and 29. I have week 27 allocation which is the first week of July.

Awesome - congrats.

When did you place your order?

[yemenmocha]

Any color changes for M-sport line? Would like one of the other blue colors.

[Frank_NJ]

Originally Posted by DVCperformance

Awesome - congrats.

When did you place your order?

When allocations became available a couple weeks ago.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by ejholt

BMW has offered me another Trade Assist and ordered a fully loaded 2014 335i xDrive M-Sport on Friday. Car is already allocated to be built 1st week in July and will take delivery early/mid August.

In addition they have agreed to move $10K in aftermarket from the current F30 to the new one free of charge.

Munich production for MY14 F30s don't start until 7/13. Not sure how your car gets built in the first week.

Assume late August early September delivery.

[Roki_014]

can someone confirm that first euro delivery date is august 12th? thanks

[Frank_NJ]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

Munich production for MY14 F30s don't start until 7/13. Not sure how your car gets built in the first week.

Assume late August early September delivery.

SOP is week 27 for 2014 3 Series. I have a confirmed week 27 2014 build myself.

[bennett64]

Originally Posted by Roki_014

can someone confirm that first euro delivery date is august 12th? thanks

I have heard this directly from euro delivery. Now I'm just trying to get my own delivery confirmed for that date.

[64-bit]

Guys my BMW 335i M-Sport was may 2013 german production (last month) the steering feel is near perfect, no comparison to the f30 that I test drove in the past, no new nav but mine was great anyways, and the US breaks has a great feel and grip, unless you track your car you will be really happy with the m-sport breaks

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Guys my BMW 335i M-Sport was may 2013 german production (last month) the steering feel is near perfect, no comparison the f30 that I test drove in the past, no new nav but mine was great anyways.

interesting. wonder if you can confirm any part # difference in the steering rack or maybe just improved software programming? either way, ill have a new 2014 soon and so will others so well find out the truth soon enough!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

interesting. wonder if you can confirm any part # difference in the steering rack or maybe just improved software programming? either way, ill have a new 2014 soon and so will others so well find out the truth soon enough!

According to ETK, BMW has been making revisions to the steering rack every four months.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

According to ETK, BMW has been making revisions to the steering rack every four months.

Some of the p/n changes are software updates only. The onboard rack electronics are coded.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by Frank_NJ

SOP is week 27 for 2014 3 Series. I have a confirmed week 27 2014 build myself.

What is your confirmation source? Look at Page 1 of the 2014 pricing guide. It clearly states that Munich SOP is 7/13.

[Frank_NJ]

7/13 = 7/2013