[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by swifty

This article linked below addresses it to some degree on the e92 platform.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...5is_dyno_test/

I drove the n54 for 3 years and the n55 for 4 and the N55 definitely felt slower but with less turbo lag and it more than made up for it in being trouble free. I only went in for oil changes in my whole 4 years where as the N54 was at the dealer atleast once every 2 months.

I did not ask for dynos(which I know), I asked for performance metrics(0-60/1/4 mile, braking, road holding etc) where The E92 N54 is found to better the F32 N55.

The person I replied to stated clearly that the N54 E92 performs better and from testing data, that seems to not be the case.

[oregon335iowner]

I spoke with 2 performance shops who specialize in these cars to make the decision and they both felt the power potential of the n54 was so much better. I agree that the motor can have issues as I owned a 535 with that motor and currently have a 2012 x3 with the n55.

[oregon335iowner]

And I am not talking stock, I plan to do dinan stage 3 or another tune. That was a key factor in my decision.

[///Mposter]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

If we are talking about stock, show me a single metric where the N54 E92 was faster?

On paper or real life? I remember before some updates to software to aid in prevention of HPFP failures , most articles stated the N54 was underrated. But mostly on paper I think they show the same HP numbers.

[///Mposter]

Here is an image of wiki.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

I read the title as if Jason was bragging about it.

"BMW 435i named what car?

...coupe of the year! OHHHHH!"

I thought the same thing. Maybe a better title would have been: "What Car? names the bmw 435i as car of the year." Although even that seems a bit confusing.

On second thought, maybe What Car? should just change their name.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///Mposter

On paper or real life? I remember before some updates to software to aid in prevention of HPFP failures , most articles stated the N54 was underrated. But mostly on paper I think they show the same HP numbers.

Originally Posted by ///Mposter

Here is an image of wiki.

You are wasting bandwidth on an topic that has been discussed to death.

N54 vs N55 is exhausted.

BOTH engines are underrated, the N54 is just more so. Stock for stock, the N54 feels more raw and also has a slightly better history of gains with tuning.

On a stock car and in the F30, the N55 is more efficient and again, it is not slower than an N54 in any known performance metric.

/N54 vs N55 crap.

[s!ke]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

I read the title as if Jason was bragging about it.

"BMW 435i named what car?

...coupe of the year! OHHHHH!"

Me too LOL

[ORIGIN M.]

[///Mposter]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

You are wasting bandwidth on an topic that has been discussed to death.

N54 vs N55 is exhausted.

BOTH engines are underrated, the N54 is just more so. Stock for stock, the N54 feels more raw and also has a slightly better history of gains with tuning.

On a stock car and in the F30, the N55 is more efficient and again, it is not slower than an N54 in any known performance metric.

/N54 vs N55 crap.

You wanted a single metric. People chose horsepower. People showed you a single link , dyno, or screenshot. You cannot seriously be mad that we provided what you asked for.
Now you want the metric to be handling and other metrics because the N54 and N55 horsepower has been beat to death?
Real world or on paper is the wrong answer. Your opinion is only what matters.
End rant

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///Mposter

You wanted a single metric. People chose horsepower. People showed you a single link , dyno, or screenshot. You cannot seriously be mad that we provided what you asked for.
Now you want the metric to be handling and other metrics because the N54 and N55 horsepower has been beat to death?
Real world or on paper is the wrong answer. Your opinion is only what matters.
End rant

Again, please read the whole thread.

I asked in reply to this statement "Buy a used 335 (with n54). Much better performance"

That is not an invitation to dredge up N54 vs N55 dribble. My reply was simply, show better performance shown in the 335 N54 than the F32 435. What you keep posting is not what was being discussed.

We drive cars. When asking for a performance metric, I was very clear in what I was asking and clarified further asking for magazine testing of classic automotive benchmarks that measure performance.

Can we move on now?

Originally Posted by oregon335iowner

And I am not talking stock, I plan to do dinan stage 3 or another tune. That was a key factor in my decision.

An even bigger waste of bandwidth topic for this thread.

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Seriously...

I forget which YouTube channel it was on, but the 428XI was tested in real world from 0-60 on paved road. The verdict would surprise you. Times were apprx. 6.4 seconds. I believe he was from Washington DC. Strange these real world 0-60 times. I got to test my 435, but i am still breaking her in. Better be 5.00 seconds or less lol.

[ORIGIN M.]

The thread doesn't jive

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

I forget which YouTube channel it was on, but the 428XI was tested in real world from 0-60 on paved road. The verdict would surprise you. Times were apprx. 6.4 seconds. I believe he was from Washington DC. Strange these real world 0-60 times. I got to test my 435, but i am still breaking her in. Better be 5.00 seconds or less lol.

Other people have tested their own cars and gotten close to or bettered magazine times. No big deal. The XDrive cars require some abusive launches to exploit the additional grip which most guys on the street just don't do. Magazine launches are aggressive, they are driving someone else's car. But it still shows what the CAR is capable of.

[///Mposter]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

I forget which YouTube channel it was on, but the 428XI was tested in real world from 0-60 on paved road. The verdict would surprise you. Times were apprx. 6.4 seconds. I believe he was from Washington DC. Strange these real world 0-60 times. I got to test my 435, but i am still breaking her in. Better be 5.00 seconds or less lol.

Yes! Thank you BDwonder. Jamesons Viggens seems to think that every magazine that gets a test car comes with the same tires, is the same temperature that day, uses the same equipment to measure g-force, 0-60 times , horsepower, and driving skill . Thanks for sharing some insight to real world times and not best times with "roll-out starts" and "summer tires" as stock.
And correct me if I'm wrong but if the 435i has an N55 and you are comparing it to the outgoing used e92 335i n54, then comparing the two engines on paper from a source is not off topic to what you asked for. Otherwise if it was, you took it off topic.

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Other people have tested their own cars and gotten close to or bettered magazine times. No big deal. The XDrive cars require some abusive launches to exploit the additional grip which most guys on the street just don't do. Magazine launches are aggressive, they are driving someone else's car. But it still shows what the CAR is capable of.

Cool...i just hope the 435 is around 5 seconds. Seems pretty fast to me for now, I'm coming off of 2010 335i coupe with the N54. For now, can't tell a difference. But then again, i only drove it one day lol, then NYC got snowed in, and i've been tied down to go anywhere yet.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///Mposter

Yes! Thank you BDwonder. Jamesons Viggens seems to think that every magazine that gets a test car comes with the same tires, is the same temperature that day, uses the same equipment to measure g-force, 0-60 times , horsepower, and driving skill . Thanks for sharing some insight to real world times and not best times with "roll-out starts" and "summer tires" as stock.
And correct me if I'm wrong but if the 435i has an N55 and you are comparing it to the outgoing used e92 335i n54, then comparing the two engines on paper from a source is not off topic to what you asked for. Otherwise if it was, you took it off topic.

LOL

Don't tell me what I "think" when you have problems following the thread. Go to the first page, read each reply, show me where I am the one taking it off topic.

You just wanted to have your own conversation. So here you go, the N54 335 is the best car. No one should buy a new BMW when the N54 335 has an underrated engine.

Done now?

[///Mposter]

The last one I promise!

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///Mposter

The last one I promise!

LOL.

A dyno is of an engine/drivetrain. I asked for a metric of which CAR was faster. I can dyno an engine with 600whp in a 6000lb Escalade.

You see how that is not what I asked, I asked for a a metric proving his statement of the 335 being FASTER, not which had the more powerful engine.

I think you keep missing the point and picking and choosing what to read. Your meme, while cute-just re-affirms my point.

[auf Deutsch]

My head is spinning.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

My head is spinning.

Is it on a dyno, how much power to the feet?

[ORIGIN M.]

Good Lord