[DarkTrigger]

Exhaust sounds good. Looking for some AT reviews now...

[BMWBUSINESS007]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Exhaust sounds good. Looking for some AT reviews now...

Should have mine back tomorrow AT. Dropped off tonight. SA said worst case I may have it back on Friday because programming can either be a simple thing or become difficult. I hope I have it back tomorrow.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Exhaust sounds good. Looking for some AT reviews now...

I have the Sport Automatic Transmission + M PPK.

Just as I was about to type my initial impressions of the tune (now that I've put about 200 miles on the car since having it installed), I saw your post.

So instead of rambling on with my general thoughts about the tune, I figure I would just start to field questions.

[emtrey]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have the Sport Automatic Transmission + M PPK.

Just as I was about to type my initial impressions of the tune (now that I've put about 200 miles on the car since having it installed), I saw your post.

So instead of rambling on with my general thoughts about the tune, I figure I would just start to field questions.

Ok---can you feel a significant difference in comfort mode?

Does it sound any different w/ stock exhaust?

Do the shifts points change or is it just tied to the upgraded throttle response?

Was it worth the $$

[DarkTrigger]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have the Sport Automatic Transmission + M PPK.

Just as I was about to type my initial impressions of the tune (now that I've put about 200 miles on the car since having it installed), I saw your post.

So instead of rambling on with my general thoughts about the tune, I figure I would just start to field questions.

1) Is the tune more noticeable at higher speeds or lower?
2) Does your exhaust have the same burble as the MT review?
3) How does it affect the comfort mode compared to sport mode now?
4) Is it worth $1k?

[DarkTrigger]

Originally Posted by emtrey

Ok---can you feel a significant difference in comfort mode?

Does it sound any different w/ stock exhaust?

Do the shifts points change or is it just tied to the upgraded throttle response?

Was it worth the $$

Same, that's a very good question that I'd like to know too.

[DarkTrigger]

Originally Posted by BMWBUSINESS007

Should have mine back tomorrow AT. Dropped off tonight. SA said worst case I may have it back on Friday because programming can either be a simple thing or become difficult. I hope I have it back tomorrow.

Sounds good, hope you have some time to tool around with it to give us a good comparo.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by emtrey

Ok---can you feel a siginicant difference in comfort mode?

Most definitely. In fact, I find myself leaving the car in Comfort Mode much more often because it is actually fun now. I'm still in the "break-in" period on my new car (I just got out of a '13 F30 M-Sport 335i that had 7,000 miles) but in just getting on the throttle a little bit, I have been particularly impressed with the extra torque provided by the tune. At about the 2,500 rpm mark in Comfort Mode, you can really feel a nice, effortless torque surge kick in.

On the highway, 50-70 mph happens in a hurry. The extra torque on tap makes passing a breeze.

I have yet to conduct any WOT throttle runs in any driving mode. That is what I'm really looking forward to at this point.

In short, the car now feels much more similar to the Dinan Stage 2-equipped E90 sedans I had in the past. It's a bit tamer, and a little smoother. However, the final verdict remains out for me until I can go WOT to redline.

Does it sound any different w/ stock exhaust?

Cannot help you on that one sir. I have the M Performance Exhaust. I can tell you that the tune sounds pretty good in conjunction with the M Performance system.

Do the shifts points change or is it just tied to the upgraded throttle response?

The throttle response is definitely sharper in Comfort and in Sport/Sport+. Haven't really paid much attention to the shift points since I've been trying to keep the car under 5,000 rpm during break-in.

Was it worth the $$

It was worth every penny, in my opinion. The tune met and even exceeded my expectations.

My responses are above in bold. Keep the questions coming. I'm more than happy to supplement my responses as I continue to rack up the miles.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

1) Is the tune more noticeable at higher speeds or lower?

In Comfort Mode, the tune is more noticeable once you get above 2,500 rpm. In my opinion, BMW wanted to retain the ability for the car to have "smooth" starts from a stop when driving in Comfort Mode. That said, if you jab the throttle in Comfort from a dead stop, you are immediately greeted by the extra power/torque - there's no waiting for the arrival of that effortless jolt of torque that kicks in at about 2,500 rpm.

Regarding how the tune is more noticeable at higher speeds: I have the same confidence passing at highway speeds in Comfort Mode that I did on my old F30 in Sport/Sport+. And that is an awesome feeling. The speedometer needle really keeps up with the tachometer needle at higher speeds now and that leaves me with a big smile.

2) Does your exhaust have the same burble as the MT review?

My M Performance Exhaust is still breaking in. The M Performance System starts to sound incredible once you have racked up some miles on it. While the M Performance system sounds deeper and more aggressive than the stock unit right from the get-go, there really is a drastic improvement in the sound of the M Performance unit once you get it fully broken in. For example, once I had about 1,000 miles on the M Performance Exhaust on my recently departed F30, I would get pretty aggressive burbles, crackles, and pops even when downshifting in EcoPro mode .

All that said, the overrun "pop" or "burble" that I hear when using the paddles on my current M PPK/M Performance Exhaust-equipped car is definitely more distinct than the overrun burble I experienced on my previous car which had only the upgraded exhaust. I cannot imagine how good it is going to sound once the exhaust system fully breaks in.

On an unrelated note, I also find that the intake "whoosh" is more pronounced.

3) How does it affect the comfort mode compared to sport mode now?

I rarely used Comfort Mode on my old F30. I know this sounds harsh, but I really found Comfort Mode uninspiring (borderline useless) on my non-tuned F30. It was either EcoPro or Sport+ - depending on traffic conditions. Now, I absolutely love Comfort Mode. I do not feel compelled to have to switch to Sport or Sport+ to pass either on city streets or the highway because of the additional gobs of torque.

4) Is it worth $1k?

Without a doubt. My thirst for that extra little bit of power has been quenched.

My responses are in bold my friend.

[DarkTrigger]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

My responses are in bold my friend.

Great! Thanks for the awesome review.

I'm 100% sold

[nsquared]

Good stuff. Thanks for all the info. The video was great. Hoping to have this soon once my car is back and actually fixed.

[FotiosF90M5]

I have the exhaust and sport 8at as well and I'm really looking forward to the install. So the extra power is immediately noticeable? How about sport gauges? Thanks

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Great! Thanks for the awesome review.

I'm 100% sold

You are most welcome! Let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns.

Prior to having the BMW tune installed, my expectations were very reasonable. I did not expect the M PPK to perform similarly to my old Dinan Stage 2-equipped E90s (384 hp and 421 lb-ft crank numbers).

However, as I mentioned previously, my expectations were exceeded. After 5+ years of driving two different 335i sedans with the Dinan Stage 2 software, I was definitely missing the additional power in my non-tuned, recently departed F30.

The BMW M Performance Power Kit has delivered, in my opinion. Although the advertised crank numbers for the BMW tune are more conservative than the advertised crank numbers for the Dinan Stage 2 software on the E90, the two tunes feel similar enough to me - as far as my butt dyno is concerned.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

I have the exhaust and sport 8at as well and I'm really looking forward to the install. So the extra power is immediately noticeable? How about sport gauges? Thanks

To me, the additional power was immediately noticeable. That said, like with any flash tune of the ECU, there is an adaptation period. The more miles you put under your belt, the more you will notice the abundance of extra torque.

Like I said above, I haven't really even thrashed the car yet with the tune, as I'm still in the break-in.

The sport gauges have changed. The units on the display are in kW/Nm though . . .

Is there any way to change the units without resorting to coding?

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

To me, the additional power was immediately noticeable. That said, like with any flash tune of the ECU, there is an adaptation period. The more miles you put under your belt, the more you will notice the abundance of extra torque.

Like I said above, I haven't really even thrashed the car yet with the tune, as I'm still in the break-in.

The sport gauges have changed. The units on the display are in kW/Nm though . . .

Is there any way to change the units without resorting to coding?

Mine are also kw and Nm. Kinda dumb. Thanks for the response

[Jackson743]

Originally Posted by BMWBUSINESS007

For the price of
That exhaust it is not worth it plus it's not a plug and play. You have to cut somewhere which is a waste of money.

You are right about the money. What does plug and play mean?

Since we both have AT, I look forward to your review. Are you going to post a video so we can hear it?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

Mine are also kw and Nm. Kinda dumb. Thanks for the response

No problem! And that's interesting. I'm quite certain my old F30 displayed hp and tq . . .

[TreDirtyFive]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

Mine are also kw and Nm. Kinda dumb. Thanks for the response

the dealer can recode that for you or anyone that does coding...should take 10 minutes or less. BMW messed up with quality control and overlooked many cars at VPC and didn't switch some cars to appropriate settings.

[nsquared]

I have the update for the hp/tq but still doesn't show. Apparently the user mode needs to be deleted and then restarted.

[BMWBUSINESS007]

Originally Posted by Jackson743

You are right about the money. What does plug and play mean?

Since we both have AT, I look forward to your review. Are you going to post a video so we can hear it?

Plug and play means take off old exhaust. Put new one straight one with no modifications. Required. I'm Looking forward to getting the car back either today or tomorrow. Dealer told me he doesn't know what to expect with programming. Hoping for tonight. I will definitely give a detailed review on the AT as I want to get it all out there. I'm the one who's going to break it in real good as it's a lease

[BMWBUSINESS007]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

To me, the additional power was immediately noticeable. That said, like with any flash tune of the ECU, there is an adaptation period. The more miles you put under your belt, the more you will notice the abundance of extra torque.

Like I said above, I haven't really even thrashed the car yet with the tune, as I'm still in the break-in.

The sport gauges have changed. The units on the display are in kW/Nm though . . .

Is there any way to change the units without resorting to coding?

European gauges FTW! Keeps me on my toes. Calculating.

[Dinh335]

Glad to finally have more from the AT crowd. As ybbizz said, Comfort mode is now a "real mode"! This is even so for manual with less torque.

And passing on the highway is amazing. You can fit into much tighter "pockets" for passing, and quickly will hit triple digits if you're not careful. 5th gear on the highway is a rocket.

Im at around 350 miles now and it gets better with each drive cycle.