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I test drove the Audi, and I'm sure I'd be happy with either, but I have been inclined to stay with BMW because:
1 - I just like the BMW more 2 - The BMW store is closer to my home 3 - The BMW store's employees were much nicer to me
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But complaining that the car understeers on a highway on-ramp is idiotic assuming the rear-diff is equipped.
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We went to the Seattle auto show right before deciding on the 328. The Audi just looks old. There's no 'wow, I have to drive that' with the Audi like there is with the BMW.
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02-04-2013, 08:41 AM | #187 |
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Yea, it sucks they don't offer an LSD even on the 335is...what's even the point of going with the M3 DSG? I'm sure you can add an aftermarket upgrade, but that kind of defeats the purpose of no-cost maintenance when a rear diff is one of the more expensive parts to service/maintain (talk to a GT-R owner).
Edit - Wow, you get a LSD standard on a 24k 1LS Camaro, that's depressing...
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Thank you for providing the information. I would like to follow up via a PM so I don't interrupt this thread any further. Bruce
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Everything else being equal, a lower COM will provide better handling.
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wouldn't a lower car improve aero?
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I owned a 2001 S4, back in 2003, and then leased a 2006 S4 in the fall of 2005. We loved those cars. For 2 years, my wife and I were both driving S4s. They were our first introduction to the luxury car segment. At that time, unlike now, I could drive around Indy all week and maybe see one other S car. They had some nice novelty factor. Now, I see more of those than M3s and probably the same as 335s. As an aside, unlike the 335i xdrive, they felt built from the ground up around being AWD. I was pretty sure I couldn't like a car more. I was paying $905 per month lease for that 06 back then on a $55g car. The residual and the money factors were awful and there was no "dealing" on the sticker.
When the 06 went off of lease we test drove a 335 to replace it. It was a cold reception at first, but the BMW was around the same price tag, so it was worth a look. The car felt like it had less torque due to no V8, but felt lighter and actually faster. After a lengthy test drive the whole BMW picture started to become clear. Every dial, knob, button, latch was near perfect. Everything felt deliberate and solid. The driving experience took hold and, unlike the S4, everything was smoother. The S4s just could not match the caliber of build, fit, finish, performance. Started the drive being BMW haters and finished huge fans. Take that back to the dealership and for a car that cost $56,500 was $799/mo - three years after my lease of the S4. The choice was simple. The sticker on the S4 might compare or be less, but the cost is not. Awesome cars, but they are not BMWs. |
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Buying through USAA I got a much bigger discount on the 335i than the S4, and the real-world S4 pricing in my area was higher to start with. That would have been OK if I felt like I was getting much more for the money, but it didn't seem like it (to me.) Plus I just really liked the 335i so it wasn't a hard decision.
My previous experience with Audi reliability was not reassuring, either. |
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Yes, as far as I know. Not sure how much difference that would make driving on public roads, but expect it would be helpful on a track.
I was commenting on the fact that the extra weight of AWD may have an unintended benefit of lowering the center of mass/gravity. Others have mentioned this, but I would like to see BMW offer the same degree of sport suspension with AWD that they do with RWD- same ride height, etc. I do appreciate that BMW is now offering an optional suspension with AWD. If DHP was not available on xDrive, then I would have purchased RWD with DHP. Bruce
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