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I do believe the times other reviews were within 2 tenths of this time.
I would love someone to show how much of an improvement with a real acceleration test. |
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This is from the same magazine C&D, talking about the IS250 and IS350 models, specifically the IS350 F sport: When Lexus said we’d be in Austin to drive the new IS, we assumed we’d sample the sedan at the Circuit of the Americas. Not so. We instead went to Austin Driveway, a technical, vest-pocket circuit with 110-mph straights (at least in the IS350 F Sport), tight corners, and a junior version of Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca’s famed Corkscrew. Lexus brought a BMW 335i and a Mercedes-Benz C350—both with sport-suspension options—plus a last-gen IS350 F Sport for comparison. Sadly, the car with the best-handling chassis in the segment, the Cadillac ATS, was absent. Stressing that this was a brief and informal track-only comparison—a proper comparo is forthcoming—we found the BMW was our favorite, with the IS350 F Sport a close second. There's a purity to the BMW's dynamics, with fluid, accurate steering and an inherent balance that's easily controlled with the throttle. In Austin, the Lexus delivered 90 percent of the same experience, but didn't feel as finely honed. The Mercedes had the lightest steering, and its grip likely was compromised by its standard mud-and-snow tires. (It’s also the oldest of the group; a new C is due in about a year.) The eight-speed in the IS350 is a nice addition, as its closer ratio steps keep things smoother and quieter than in the six-speed IS models. If the 328i bests the IS250, then it might say something about the handling, but more than likely the majority of the commentary will about the big power difference. The only true test to compare the handling differences between the 328i and 335i is to test equally setup 328i and 335i and then test between each other with drivers changing cars. That has been done, and the conclusion was that the 328i has a lighter steering feel and slightly quicker transitional handling attributed mainly to weight, and likely non staggered tires, as staggered set up tends to create under steer. The 328i was judged to have better handling when comparing the two versions. No, you're not the only one to notice it. I noticed it too, just as the reviewers noticed it. It's not that shocking, there is less weight up front, and depending on the version, the 328i has a square tire setup. There is nothing truly different or magical about the suspension or chassis of the 328i compared to the 335i, they are pretty much the same car. The handling difference is greatly overplayed by some on this forum. This was not expressed by the tester who drove both models. They noted the difference, but made no comments suggesting that there was a tremendous difference, nor that the handling of the 328i was vastly superior. It's noticeable, it's nice, move on. On the track every little improvement is magnified and wanted and needed. For daily driving the difference is not as pronounced as some claim, and it's certainly not enough to make claims that the 335i can't win a comparo. The 328i has been extensively tested as it was the first model released and it's the much greater selling 3 variant, you see them everywhere, and the sales numbers show that. The 335i has not been tested nearly as much, and the Msport variants even less. Yes, it will be interesting to see how a Lexus IS250 F sport will fare against a 328i sport/Msport. BTW, I actually like how the new IS and F Sport look. I especially like the rear end, very sporty. This is one comparison and the 335i lost by 1 point. In nearly all the comparison reviews between the 328i sport/Msport and the ATS 2.0 sport, the ATS 2.0 sport was preferred due to it's better steering and feel, and over all handling. Yet, the 328i wins most of the comparisons. What's really interesting is how many F30 328i owners seem to revel in this 335i loss to the new Lexus, with many E90 drivers looking for anything negative about either F30 variant. I don't get it. Do people really need any kind of support they can get for their ego's. |
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My 335i Msport has 18's, and I choose those on purpose. I drove a couple 335i's with the 19's and the ride was really negatively affected. Even on smaller imperfections the 19's would always let you know it's there, especially with the RFT's. So, I went with the 18's and they are better over rougher pavement. |
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http://www.f30post.com/forums/showth...ight=motorweek At least this comment in your post was accurate... Last edited by BMWinGE; 04-28-2013 at 02:47 AM.. |
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04-28-2013, 02:07 AM | #72 |
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Hmm.. actually as per official BMW figures the AT is 5.1s while the MT is 5.4s 0-60mph. Can't really say that is not much (unless by "much" you meant a 1 second difference in 0-60) There are couple of other differences too such as 3 mpg better fuel economy for the AT and if you get the MPPK then you are looking at more torque with the AT. Plus, you can even eat the Fatburger XXXL burger while driving the AT (while doing a 0-60 in under 5s) |
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Easy to do a search and find them. Last edited by RPM90; 04-28-2013 at 02:22 AM.. |
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04-28-2013, 02:14 AM | #74 |
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I frankly don't give a hoot about what C&D has to say about the 335i . The 335i with the MPPK is a blast to drive and is seriously addicting. Heck, they even improved the steering with the PPK. I must admit though that before the PPK, the 335i was a fast car but somehow lacked that crazy fun factor that the car has with the PPK.
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04-28-2013, 02:21 AM | #75 | |
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I don't knock the 328i and never have, and you can go look up my posts if you don't believe that. This thread is about a comparo where the 335i lost to the Lexus. What's the point of 328i owners making comments about how the 335i can't seem to win comparo's like the 328i can? What's the point of restating that same point and calling the 328i "the shiny star" as if it is the superior 3 series variant. How does that add to discussing the comparo article? It doesn't. The discussion thread is about the review and the 335i, which is EXACTLY what I and other 335i drivers are posting about. My comments are quite relevant to the topic, and that includes critiquing the comparo and how it was done, by also relating my experience. Those are things quite relevant to the thread topic. Commentary about how many more comparo's the 328i has won, and why the 335i can't win it's comparo's, and how maybe it'll "regain it's status" don't contribute to the discussion regarding the article. Those comments are clearly to poke fun at the 335i, and likely are made to make certain 328i owners feel better about themselves, otherwise what's the point of posting such things. Losing this comparo doesn't change my mind on which car I got. Heck, I'm on record in this forum pointing out the things I don't like about the 335i well before this article came out. The F30 is not perfect, and BMW failed in regards to keeping the magic of former 3 series. Last edited by RPM90; 04-28-2013 at 02:30 AM.. |
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Edit: Im not going to respond to your last post because you dont really seem to read what Im saying and just write a long rant that ends up saying something else confrontational that I respond to and the cycle never ends. My original post that started this just said BMW needed to make some improvements, all the back and forth with you has led to something else and gotten way off topic. The end. Last edited by BMWinGE; 04-28-2013 at 03:27 AM.. |
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04-28-2013, 04:56 AM | #77 |
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If only they reviewed the F30 330d M Sport. They would have been blown away!
Unfortunately, it is not available in NA.
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After muddling through all the garbage posted in this thread I realize there are a few points people need to consider.
1. The BMW was on 19" wheels in this mag comparison whereas everyone else was on 18s. Of course that's going to contribute to the perception of negative suspension absorption vs. the other cars which were on 18's. 2. The slightly heavier wheel and thinner tire of the 19" BMW wheels vs. the 18" BMW wheel/tire combo could have impacted negatively (albeit minimally) the performance results on this test. 3. The BMW likely beat up on the Lexus acceleration wise in part because of slighly more aggressive gearing, a higher redline and almost 100lbs less weight. I think the Caddy only having a 6 speed really hurt its acceleration vs. the 8 speed BMW. 4. Magazine tests often "manually" adjust the performance times of cars they test based on the environment the cars were raced in. I'm not saying they did in this scenario but take the actual numbers you see with a grain of salt. 5. BMW often underrates its turboed cars both in performance results and horsepower/torque. 6. The drastically better acceleration results for the BMW would be diminished if you did back to back runs due to heat soak vs. naturally aspirated engined competitiors. 7. Sometimes test cars of the same model can perform better or worse than the others. Over the years you see comments like "this car felt much stronger than the same model we tested 3 years ago, and proved it on the race track by running .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile." |
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I love how it always turns into a 328vs335. Let's just accept it is all opinion. I absolutely love my 335 MSport and a 328 owner could not convince me that his/her 328 is "better". Just as I can not convince a 328 owner that my 335 is "better". We bought out specific models due to preference.
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I do not think either car is really BETTER. This one test let open a bit of room for such 328 vs 335 chatter as the 335 was SO much faster that the 328 would have been as fast as the other contenders. The handling and steering, even if 5-10% better than the 335 which is 10-15% faster than the 328, that might have been a bit more helpful in this testing scenario. But you know what, they would have dinged the N20 for sound, or something lol. If they could shoehorn the N55 into the 328 with no weight penalty and no adverse affects at all, that is the car that would DOMINATE. BMW will offer a PPK for the 328, but that will not cure the sound. The MPE helps too, but let's be honest, a straight 6 it does not make lol.
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I pity you guys, for me it's so simple: if it doesn't have a turbo (gas or diesel), it doesn't exist
More thoughts nobody is interested in: 1. Caddy's interior it's yet another unsuccessful American shot at luxury. Bad taste bling, stupid CUE. Looking forward to the new turbo charged CTS. 2. Lexus exterior design is already old and the interior screams Transformer. Asian kid's dream, European driver's nightmare. Plus a 10 year old engine.
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I don't think so. I think the 335i is a better car than the 328i. You get what you pay. If that was not true all 335i owners would be a big fvcking morons to have spent more on the 335i and yet not having got the better car. Oh well! Maybe they are all morons!!
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Again, with 328i vs 335i argument... This has already been settled by professional drivers at Laguna Seca, the 335i was faster around the track than the 328i, but, and it's a big BUT, barely. (They also said the 335i tank was all spent while the 328i still had half a tank).
Anyways, I'd take this review at face value, there are some things they liked, some things they didn't (a very close score). I don't think we can say the is350 F sport is not a better car since no one here has driven it. I know when it does come out though, I'd like to take it for a spin to see if they really improved it over the last one. Also, we should be getting a lot more reviews when the Q50 comes out (really Infiniti? Really?). And the always dependable 335i (hopefully M sport with PPK, otherwise it'll get killed by the S4 again), S4, Q50, is350 comparo article. |
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Guys we are all on the same team which is BMW we should be upset that BMW wasnt 1st regardless if it was a 328 or 335, i am tired of these magazines posting contradictory statements, i just feel like they are other form of advertising by manufacturers its probably on who pays more will win the competition i feel like lexus is not even same category as bmw because bmw doesnt have camry like lexus does or audi with VW , they are just overpriced cheaper brands , everyone here should be happy because we got
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