wma lossless in F30?

momo3605 · 03-25-2013, 06:47 PM

Ive been trying to play wma lossless audio that I ripped using Zune, but it's not working. It works in my 2010 M3. Does it have to do with the lack of navigation or maybe I need to do a software update?

Anyone have any insight?

DJHakim · 03-29-2013, 01:55 PM

Music files were ripped from CD in WMP in Lossless WMA format. I coped my library to USB, then imported from USB to the CIC HDD.

Some files BMW sees, but does not play. It skips them. Media rights are not set for them. They do have a bit rate of >1 Mbps. Other lossless WMA files play fine.

In the printed F30 Navigation/Entertainment manual (p. 51, top/right), BMW states that playback cannot be guaranteed for bit rates >256 kbit/s. This sux BIG TIME if I have to batch transcode al lmy files to 256 kbit/s!!!

I can find no other mention of bit rate requirements in the manual(s).

momo3605 · 03-30-2013, 02:10 AM

So you're saying it doesn't work on bitrate higher than 1Mbit/s?

DJHakim · 03-30-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by momo3605

So you're saying it doesn't work on bitrate higher than 1Mbit/s?

Some work, some don't. Lossles bit rates don't seem to play reliably.

Sirrus · 03-30-2013, 12:11 PM

Do the problematic songs play straight from the portable drive if you plug in at the arm rest?

If not, try removing any metadata (tags) that you don't need.

momo3605 · 03-30-2013, 05:38 PM

But the weird thing is that the same USB drive works in my e90. Why wouldn't it work in my f30?

DJHakim · 03-31-2013, 08:28 PM

OK, so I discovered something that may have been indicated in other threads.

I did a head-head test. Put Lossless WMA albums on a USB thumb drive. Most files have bit rates > 1 Mb/s. For reference I placed a few non-lossless files, too.

(1) played music from USB (arm rest). Result: every file played, album art showed on some albums, some artist info missing.

(2) imported from same exact USB drive into BMW (glove box port). Result: **NO** lossless files played, lossy files did play, no album art showed. Note that the files that did not play were listed, but were just skipped.

BMW uses a different codec for playing USB files that it does from HDD files??? I wonder if a software patch can fix this.

zibawal · 03-31-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJHakim

OK, so I discovered something that may have been indicated in other threads.

I did a head-head test. Put Lossless WMA albums on a USB thumb drive. Most files have bit rates > 1 Mb/s. For reference I placed a few non-lossless files, too.

(1) played music from USB (arm rest). Result: every file played, album art showed on some albums, some artist info missing.

(2) imported from same exact USB drive into BMW (glove box port). Result: **NO** lossless files played, lossy files did play, no album showed. Note that the files that did not play were listed, but were just skipped.

BMW uses a different codec for playing USB files that it does from HDD files??? I wonder if a software patch can fix this.

That is exactly my take! Did some one talk to BMW tech support ? It beats me and make me angry as same files from same thumb drive are perfectly playable when attached to my M3;(
So a firmware patch is in order either directly from BMW ( preffered ) or after market imho

zibawal · 03-31-2013, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJHakim

OK, so I discovered something that may have been indicated in other threads.

I did a head-head test. Put Lossless WMA albums on a USB thumb drive. Most files have bit rates > 1 Mb/s. For reference I placed a few non-lossless files, too.

(1) played music from USB (arm rest). Result: every file played, album art showed on some albums, some artist info missing.

(2) imported from same exact USB drive into BMW (glove box port). Result: **NO** lossless files played, lossy files did play, no album art showed. Note that the files that did not play were listed, but were just skipped.

BMW uses a different codec for playing USB files that it does from HDD files??? I wonder if a software patch can fix this.

in my f30, no lossless wma play at all from arm rest usb.
glove box one is for import/ export not for play back:

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DJHakim First Lieutenant 23 Rep 366 Posts Drives: 330i xDrive Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Music files were ripped from CD in WMP in Lossless WMA format. I coped my library to USB, then imported from USB to the CIC HDD. Some files BMW sees, but does not play. It skips them. Media rights are not set for them. They do have a bit rate of >1 Mbps. Other lossless WMA files play fine. In the printed F30 Navigation/Entertainment manual (p. 51, top/right), BMW states that playback cannot be guaranteed for bit rates >256 kbit/s. This sux BIG TIME if I have to batch transcode al lmy files to 256 kbit/s!!! I can find no other mention of bit rate requirements in the manual(s). __________________ F34 (2019 330xi): Luxury, ZCV, Nav, ABSD, Alp White F34 (2016 328xi): Nav, ZDA, Alp White F30 (2013 328xi): ZCP, Nav, PDC, Alarm, Shades, GS Metal [Ret] E90 (2009 328xi): ZCP, iDrive, BMW Assist, PDC, Alarm, Shades, SG Metal [Ret] E90 (2006 325xi): ZSP, ZCP, iDrive, BMW Assist, PDC, CA, Xenons, Shades, CrO3 Exhaust, TiAg Metal [Ret]
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momo3605 Major 208 Rep 1,201 Posts Drives: M340i LCI, 718 GTS 4.0 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	So you're saying it doesn't work on bitrate higher than 1Mbit/s?
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Sirrus Private First Class 4 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 2013 335i M Sport Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (0)	Do the problematic songs play straight from the portable drive if you plug in at the arm rest? If not, try removing any metadata (tags) that you don't need.
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momo3605 Major 208 Rep 1,201 Posts Drives: M340i LCI, 718 GTS 4.0 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	But the weird thing is that the same USB drive works in my e90. Why wouldn't it work in my f30?
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DJHakim First Lieutenant 23 Rep 366 Posts Drives: 330i xDrive Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Lossless WMAs play from USB, not from HDD OK, so I discovered something that may have been indicated in other threads. I did a head-head test. Put Lossless WMA albums on a USB thumb drive. Most files have bit rates > 1 Mb/s. For reference I placed a few non-lossless files, too. (1) played music from USB (arm rest). Result: every file played, album art showed on some albums, some artist info missing. (2) imported from same exact USB drive into BMW (glove box port). Result: NO lossless files played, lossy files did play, no album art showed. Note that the files that did not play were listed, but were just skipped. BMW uses a different codec for playing USB files that it does from HDD files??? I wonder if a software patch can fix this. __________________ F34 (2019 330xi): Luxury, ZCV, Nav, ABSD, Alp White F34 (2016 328xi): Nav, ZDA, Alp White F30 (2013 328xi): ZCP, Nav, PDC, Alarm, Shades, GS Metal [Ret] E90 (2009 328xi): ZCP, iDrive, BMW Assist, PDC, Alarm, Shades, SG Metal [Ret] E90 (2006 325xi): ZSP, ZCP, iDrive, BMW Assist, PDC, CA, Xenons, Shades, CrO3 Exhaust, TiAg Metal [Ret] Last edited by DJHakim; 03-31-2013 at 08:40 PM.. Reason: "no album [art] showed"
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