[xlover]

was the car CPO, non CPO cars have been dropping in value due the the widespread availability of purchasing used with some warranty protection

[s0nu]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I WAS saying YOUR E90/2s were xDrive. I am also saying it is easier to negotiate a '12 F30 in the Northeast due to lack of XDrive. I have found this to be true of E90s as well.

My friend in Atlanta was seeing $26-29k for RWD 335s. When I found him one in NJ, identical car was $4k less.

fair enough. i still think i got a decent deal though - dont take that away from me! lol

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by s0nu

fair enough. i still think i got a decent deal though - dont take that away from me! lol

You did! Don't worry. I prefer the driving of the RWD car, the fact that it often costs less in the NorthEast is just a bonus.

[YeaG30]

Originally Posted by OC40

I actually wrote that as a covenant within my contract.

Anyone transporting said vehicle shall not fart, at anytime, within the vehicle or in proximity of the vehicle. If an individual other than the soon-to-be owner does pass gas, this contract shall be null and void heretofore.

I'm sure that one guy who posts videos online beating on M6s and what not, probably had mine, and farted all up in it.

"dis dat new 328i turbo wit da blood red guts..."

[BavarianFanatic]

I love depreciation. I drive a 750iL that originally listed for just shy of $80k. I paid $600 for it. I also have an S500 that originally listed for $98k. That one was $400. Both very nice cars by the way.

[ft1330]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

I love depreciation. I drive a 750iL that originally listed for just shy of $80k. I paid $600 for it. I also have an S500 that originally listed for $98k. That one was $400. Both very nice cars by the way.

Yeah that's some depreciation alright. Must be 2 dinosaurs at this price though. I'm sure the cars were made before I was born.

[puma1552]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Kind of a silly thread.

OP gives no specifics, just "I saw..."

Without any specifics it is meaningless.

'12 CPO 328s with decent options are on most dealers lots for $35k.

Sure, you can find a no line, no option car, higher miles, non CPO, tons of variables to bring the price down to $25k. But that is not representative of the market and the bigger picture.

Agreed, I am not seeing any '12 328s on lots for anything less than around $35k granted they are all X-drive here in the north. The only way I could see $25k would be a no line, no option RWD car with either 35-40k miles and/or an accident?

But yeah depreciation in general is pretty bad, it's almost tempting to pick up like an '11 7er for just north of $40k with like 40k miles, but then the reality of every repair being $1500-$2k and all the extra stuff that can go wrong with a car like that and it tearing you apart just because it can sets in. There's a young guy in my building with the previous generation 7er (probably 2007-2008) that looks nice enough, and I'm sure people think it's a $100k car when in reality it was probably $20k-$25k.

[BavarianFanatic]

Originally Posted by ft1330

Yeah that's some depreciation alright. Must be 2 dinosaurs at this price though. I'm sure the cars were made before I was born.

The 750 is a '91 and the S500 is a '97. Both from back in the day when BMW and MB built REAL cars. And they're both in excellent condition. They both were diagnosed incorrectly as having major issues. Neither did.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by zeezz

There are certain reasons for buying a BMW... I would sale residual value and reliability are not top of mind. Even with that, I purchased a new car and plan to drive it until it's pretty much dead.

Why does this perspective continue to be perpetuated? BMW's, by and large, are not unreliable cars.

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by OC40

I actually wrote that as a covenant within my contract.

Anyone transporting said vehicle shall not fart, at anytime, within the vehicle or in proximity of the vehicle. If an individual other than the soon-to-be owner does pass gas, this contract shall be null and void heretofore.

You left out nose picking.

[OC40]

Originally Posted by snowghost

You left out nose picking.

Fluid leakage?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by snowghost

You left out nose picking.

Remember that Top Gear episode where they found all of the remnants of boogers in the car???

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Why does this perspective continue to be perpetuated? BMW's, by and large, are not unreliable cars.

BMWs are quite reliable if you are accustomed to owning Jaguars.

BMW is typically mid-pack at best. The Mini is currently a reliability bottom feeder.

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Remember that Top Gear episode where they found all of the remnants of boogers in the car???

Yes and that's not all they found remnants of.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Elk

BMWs are quite reliable if you are accustomed to owning Jaguars.

BMW is typically mid-pack at best. The Mini is currently a reliability bottom feeder.

Define how you are qualifying reliability.

[shivaswrath]

Look at motortrend...most 5 year values for the C class, A4, and 3-series are about 45-50% less.

Cars like the GTR, STI, or Evo are near 58-60%.

[zeezz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Define how you are qualifying reliability.

There are arguments about its effectiveness, but JD Power is often quoted. Here's the 2013 results: http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dep...ss-release.htm

Overall, a bit worst than middle of the pack - but not anywhere near Lexus. One could argue that the "old geezer" clientele is less likely to complain in a Lexus

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by zeezz

There are arguments about its effectiveness, but JD Power is often quoted. Here's the 2013 results: http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dep...ss-release.htm

Overall, a bit worst than middle of the pack - but not anywhere near Lexus. One could argue that the "old geezer" clientele is less likely to complain in a Lexus

Thanks for that.

I do take JD's results with a grain of salt though. I've tossed more of those surveys in the trash than I can count (..presumably because I really don't have issues with my cars). I think the only one that I went out of my way to complete was the Navigation survey they sent me, and that was only because people complain so much that I felt obliged to give my positive feedback. I think the people without issue(s) disregard these surveys and others that are similar.

[BavarianFanatic]

"Reliability" is used very loosely in these ratings. There are a lot of subjective questions that can drag the ratings down because folks don't like something even though it works as designed. Do a GIS to see what happened to Ford ' ratings immediately following the introduction of Sync. It worked as designed but folks thought it was too complicated. BMW is often a leader with regard to new tech. The downside is folks can occasionally be put off by it.

Case in point, I would not be surprised if the F30 loses points because of folks bitching about ASS, electric steering and anything else they feel shouldn't have been changed. Base your opinions on your own personal experiences, not those that you can't qualify on your own.

[OC40]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

"Reliability" is used very loosely in these ratings. There are a lot of subjective questions that can drag the ratings down because folks don't like something even though it works as designed. Do a GIS to see what happened to Ford ' ratings immediately following the introduction of Sync. It worked as designed but folks thought it was too complicated. BMW is often a leader with regard to new tech. The downside is folks can occasionally be put off by it.

Case in point, I would not be surprised if the F30 loses points because of folks bitching about ASS, electric steering and anything else they feel shouldn't have been changed. Base your opinions on your own personal experiences, not those that you can't qualify on your own.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Some people attach reliability to what Consumer Reports says and they are very Pro F30.

I pay little attention to JD powers because I find fault with drivetrain problems much more than something like iDrive acting up. They dont really properly accont for severity of the problem.

So I had new VAG product that needed new water pump, intake manifold, and a few coils under 40k miles. That is far more worrisome than something that JD powers would count that some dope would gripe about.

[Sherhart]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Kind of a silly thread.

OP gives no specifics, just "I saw..."

Without any specifics it is meaningless.

'12 CPO 328s with decent options are on most dealers lots for $35k.

Sure, you can find a no line, no option car, higher miles, non CPO, tons of variables to bring the price down to $25k. But that is not representative of the market and the bigger picture.

Agree 100%. Anything in decent shape is low-to-mid-30s. One base model with high mileage in the $20s is an outlier.