[evans4you]

[fshubert]

Isn't the S4 Audi's answer to the M3? I would have thought the A4 would be the competitive comparison to the 335i.

[BMWgasm]

IMO this is what it looks like:

A4/328i
S4/335i
S5/M3

[fshubert]

Ah, I forgot about the S5. I'm thinking sedans and the S5 is only a coupe. When the A5 came out I looked at it as a "tweener" for the BMW 3-Series and 5-Series (and as a tweener or the A4 and A6).

[Jamesons Viggen]

The rs5 lines up with the M3.

[Kankles]

Not sure it would've changed the reviewer's opinion, but the 335 was a sport with 225 all seasons on all 4 corners.

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

The rs5 lines up with the M3.

Agree, the s5 is a coupe version of the s4 but still no worthy competitor for the m3.

[kas335]

Audi's direct competitor to the M3 was the rs4 which isn't in production presently.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by kas335

Audi's direct competitor to the M3 was the rs4 which isn't in production presently.

The Rs5 is, both coupe and convertible.

[bmwforme]

Originally Posted by cpw2626

IMO this is what it looks like:

A4/328i
S4/335i
S5/M3

negative sir, this comparison is apples to apples..

F30 328i - A4
E92 328i- A5
335i - S4
E92 335i - S5
E92 M3 - RS5
E90 M3 - RS4
528i - A6

you get it.. it does get sketchy because Audi sedan and coupes often have different engines on the S and RS models.


but Audi higher models like playing peek-a-boo and are never really all out at the same time

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by bmwforme

negative sir, this comparison is apples to apples..

F30 328i - A4
E92 328i- A5
335i - S4
E92 335i - S5
E92 M3 - RS5
E90 M3 - RS4
528i - A6

you get it.. it does get sketchy because Audi sedan and coupes often have different engines on the S and RS models.


but Audi higher models like playing peek-a-boo and are never really all out at the same time

This is going to be even more confusing when the M335i/M435i comes out.

[kas335]

Originally Posted by bmwforme

negative sir, this comparison is apples to apples..

F30 328i - A4
E92 328i- A5
335i - S4
E92 335i - S5
E92 M3 - RS5
E90 M3 - RS4
528i - A6

you get it.. it does get sketchy because Audi sedan and coupes often have different engines on the S and RS models.


but Audi higher models like playing peek-a-boo and are never really all out at the same time

This is as accurate as it gets.

[JoeyO]

I'd be more interested in seeing a Head to Head for a BMW 328i against a Audi A4. There's much more sales volume among those two.

[jsedlak]

Electric Steering Assist?

Is that VSS?

[MaestroAl]

No, that's just power steering

[justinnum1]

drove a s5 yesterday. steering is much worse than the f30

[TreDirtyFive]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

drove a s5 yesterday. steering is much worse than the f30

this is, of course, supremely subjective, especially without really pushing the cars or any real track experience, which I have with both cars...I own an f30 335 m-sport and even in sport+ mode it isn't nearly as precise and engaging as the current S4 steering. Lots of that also has to do with the tires (stock to stock), but for the most part, the F30 is more than tolerable but still has that ever so slight initial electric-assist on touch-in. The S4 steering may feel a touch lighter but you feel the tires connectivity to the road so much better. It also feels more fluid in constant hard turns where the f30 steering feels strangely artificial in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the car so far, even considering how big and less-raw feeling it is than my e82. Anyhow, my 2 cents.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

this is, of course, supremely subjective, especially without really pushing the cars or any real track experience, which I have with both cars...I own an f30 335 m-sport and even in sport+ mode it isn't nearly as precise and engaging as the current S4 steering. Lots of that also has to do with the tires (stock to stock), but for the most part, the F30 is more than tolerable but still has that ever so slight initial electric-assist on touch-in. The S4 steering may feel a touch lighter but you feel the tires connectivity to the road so much better. It also feels more fluid in constant hard turns where the f30 steering feels strangely artificial in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the car so far, even considering how big and less-raw feeling it is than my e82. Anyhow, my 2 cents.

I didnt like the s5 steering at all, way to artificial feeling to me, much more than the 328

[MaestroAl]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

this is, of course, supremely subjective, especially without really pushing the cars or any real track experience.

I don't think that's the case. Very few people track their cars and yet steering is just as important and the feel of the steering matters just as much. You're still gonna drive your car for thousands of miles on a normal road so the steering feel on the road is always the most important, albeit subjective, of considerations How a car feels at 50% or at 80% or even at 90% is what matters since very few people will (and ought!) take there cars beyond that on the road.

I totally agree about the tyres though. I've had Bridgestones, Pirellis and Vredestein on my Speed6 and they've all felt completely different in identical driving conditions. The Vreds being by far the best and, interestingly enough, the cheapest

[evans4you]

can you imagine if Audi offered the S4 with rear wheel drive which would be lighter? As far as BMW goes they need to seriously overhaul that engine, I drove it and it sucks big time compared to my 328i, the 335i makes alot of noise when you floor the gas pedal without much to show in way of get up and go unlike the 328i which rockets

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by evans4you

can you imagine if Audi offered the S4 with rear wheel drive which would be lighter? As far as BMW goes they need to seriously overhaul that engine, I drove it and it sucks big time compared to my 328i, the 335i makes alot of noise when you floor the gas pedal without much to show in way of get up and go unlike the 328i which rockets

lol, you sound confused.

[webdither]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol, you sound confused.

+1! The 335 didn't hesitate off the line like the 328 did when I test drove it.

[evans4you]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol, you sound confused.

I'm not confused, I test drove both the 335i and the 328i automatics before I settled for my 328i and I like the 328i better, I don't know about the manuals but automatic is what I wanted since my other car is manual.