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First, the electric steering will become the norm in most cars. It does save fuel but it also saps less power from the engine (= better performance), is less expensive, takes up less room in the engine compartment, and is cheaper/easier to replace. Second, I think that if BMW went smaller than a 2.0, they would catch a ton of grief for having a smaller engine than all of their main rivals. BMW is already dealing with the grief of going for the 6 to the turbo 4. Third, the shutter problem is only on start, not when stopping. Also if you do rolling stops or a quick stop (letting up on the brake immediately upon coming to a complete stop) the system doesn't even engage.
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They're already catching flack for having 2.0L, so that stays the same. All they've done is increase the flack by adding oddities like electric steering and start/ stop. Beautiful steering feel differentiated BMW from the rest. With now gone there is reason to not jump ship as I plan to do. No fan boy here even after owning 5 straight BMWs.
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The best example I can give you is if you take an older car and turn the steering wheel all the way to one side you can watch the load increase on the engine as the RPMs drop. As for why the F30 335 isnt any faster, that could be because of all kinds of different things.
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BMW can easily modify steering feel with software changes. The rack and pinion is essentially the same. If the boost is decreased and the sensitivity to when it activates decreased there will be more feedback to the driver.
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Back on topic, my auto start-stop stalled today but it was entirely my fault.
I have a manual 118D and I lifted the clutch too soon after the engine restarted, causing the engine to stall. As soon as I pushed the clutch down again though the engine restarted again all of its own accord. I thought it was rather clever that I didn't have to intervene at all. Which further indicates that there's an issue with the system's impementation on at least some F30s if the system is stalling, especially on autos, as it works fine on other models. |
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Havnt had any stalling issues on the auto yet. It's noticeable at first, and is annoying at every light. It will take some getting used too and honestly doesn't Bother me yet.
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04-27-2012, 04:01 PM | #205 | |
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I couldn't get the test car to do the start/stop nonsense...I think it's b/c I drove it like it was stolen...or it may have been too warm...it usually is here. (this makes me happy)
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I was unaware BMW was catching flack....but I'm not shocked...as Americans are morons when it comes to cars (among other things). I doubt the rest of the world is shelling BMW...but again I was unaware anyone was so I could be wrong. Have you driven an F30 w/ the sport steering? It's actually very very similar to an E90. I found it difficult to differentiate. The regular steering has had some complaints by "enthusiasts" but I would ask the obvious quesion of "why is an enthusiast not getting the sport steering?" Also, Electric power steering by itself is not a bad thing (go drive a 991, or a new Boxster...the steering is phenominal, it too is electric power steering). I prefer manual steering myself...but I understand that this isn't practical for 99% of cars. People seem to forget that BMW must appeal to more than those who consider themselves "Enthusiasts"...which again I can't say that all of them would qualify in my eyes...as they bought a car w/o sport steering. I'm not really disagreeing with you FWIW, I'm just playing the devils advocate...as changes are coming...we either need to adapt, or drive old cars. Last edited by Mrcarcrazy; 04-27-2012 at 04:08 PM.. |
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EPS is in itself a much more flexible system than the hydraulic system, can be tuned any which way, BMW are choosing the settings they want. Also allows for flexibility with sport settings for the 'average' sporty driver. And a specific sport steering option for the hard core enthusiast. Something for everyone in reality. HighlandPete |
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I guess I have to rephrase a couple of things pardon me. The flack BMW is catching maybe isn't so much related to the 2.0L engine but it's more related to the four banger idea. Many people have been very clear that they could not shell out $50,000 for four banger.
If BMW actually is choosing to make their cars drive this way, that is very sad. They used to be so much better. At speed, I really could not tell the difference in the power steering either, the problem is more apparent in parking lots, driveways, and other slow driving situations, the steering feels very rubbery, and much like a front wheel drive car. It seems silly to put up with this just to save two drops of gas. I'm done here, there's no need to fill this thread with my negativity any longer. I certainly hope I can find happiness C350 coupe. It's a wonderful car that is incredibly well-built, uses conventional tires, conventional steering, and doesn't have start stop.
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Regarding "climategate", you can't pick up on a few mistakes made by a few scientists and claim that it puts an entire scientific concept to doubt when the mistakes are insignficant against the mountain of other evidence. Can I suggest that you read a bit about the mistakes that were made and their true (in)signficance? The whole thing really isn't the smoking gun climate skeptics claim. http://mediamatters.org/research/200912010002 Last edited by Feanor; 05-01-2012 at 04:37 PM.. |
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If there is data that contradicts their theories, they just keep it hidden. Initially what started as man made Global Warming, became Climate Change, because after some hotter than usual years, there were some colder than usual years...so to win arguments, in a 'heads I win, tails you lose' type of scenario, the name was changed to 'Climate Change' In any case, my last post on warming/cooling or ASS - I have learnt long back it is hard to convince the global warming crowd any which way but theirs. So best of luck, and enjoy your ASS, CVT (when you get it in a BMW) etc. etc. |
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It's actually not the shutting off that I find disconcerting, but rather the starting up. Depending on the conditions I hardly notice that it's shut off. There's a noticeable shudder when it starts up again though, and that can be jarring.
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is this normal given the parameters stated? is this due to stop and go traffic? or i have a faulty car? dunno if i should bring the car in to check... |
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