04-12-2014, 08:29 PM | #1 |
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I'm confused about the whole golf tee mod after watching my exhaust flap on cold start today. I have the MPE but I was under the impression that the exhaust was louder on cold start because both valves are opened and then it quiets down because the valve closes. Before starting my car tonight, I looked into the exhaust, and the valve was completely shut. The cold start was loud as usual with the MPE but after about a minute or so the exhaust goes quiet and the valve opens up the left side of the exhaust which is the complete opposite of what I thought it did. The valve has never been closed when I look into the exhaust after driving the car which is why I am confused as to how the "golf tee mod" or keeping the valve open, would make the exhaust louder. I always drive in sport mode since I got the car about a week ago but the valve is definitely always open already when I am driving.
Is everyone confusing the valve opening as closing on cold start and doing the "golf tee mod" for no reason, or does the MPE reverse this and make holding the flap open useless since it seems to open after the car warms up anyways?? |
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cold start, louder exhaust
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If Fxx N55b is anything like E9x N54, then cold start has turbo wastegate open for about 60 secs to allow primary cat in the DP to warm up. On my N54 with MPE, it got quieter still after 5-8mins of running as this was when WGDC would work fully allowing full boost targets to be achieved once oil temp gauge started to move. Believe that WG has more impact on exhaust volume than golf tee mod.... PD.
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04-15-2014, 05:37 AM | #4 |
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You´re wrong. On a cold start, the valve OPENS. When it gets quieter, after a few seconds, it has closed. Start the car and go out back and watch/feel the fumes come out of the left pipe. The reason for closing the valve is for the engine to reach it´s working temp quicker, and since you´re not supposed to rev above 3000 rpms before the oil is warm there´s no reason for that flap to open either. Especially important on colder days. So for the winter, I would remove the GT-mod.
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04-15-2014, 07:44 AM | #5 | |
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Make somebody switch on the car (cold start) instead of you and, in the meanwhile, put yourself on the back to observe the valve |
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04-15-2014, 07:46 AM | #6 | |
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As I wrote before, I experienced the same behaviour on my old 335xi and my new 435i, both with MPE I think that after moving the car at low speed the valve shuts and re-open at certain revs (around 3000). |
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I have been standing out back several times right after a cold start, the left pipe has exhausts coming out. And then when the engine note settles a little, you hear the valve close and you can see that there's no flow there.
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In that case you are suggesting it's open at ALL times, exc3pt upon start-up. May I ask what function it fills then?.... yeah, none. 328i or 335i, same principle applies; it's closed when cruising along and open above 3k - closed to help the engine reach it's working temp quicker and to restrict exhaust flow at lower revs, to help with the pull. Opens up for more flow to decrease back pressure for better performance.
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Is there a reason the valve opens at higher RPMs? (Less back-pressure, would be my guess...) Cold-start-up = closed = louder Idle after 55 seconds = open = quieter Engage gear and drive off = closed = louder again Hit higher RPMs = open = quieter again It seems like a complicated strategy that BMW has engineered, and I'm wondering if they designed it to work this way for specific reasons.
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Just pull the plug, open all the time, you dont like it plug it back in. With mine open all the time, it still goes from loud to quiet on cold start up. Only diffetence I hear with the plug disconnected is slightly louder rumble driving in comfort mode at lower rpms. And of course evenly dirty exhaust tips when washing the car.
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Just pull the plug, open all the time, you dont like it plug it back in. With mine open all the time, it still goes from loud to quiet on cold start up. Only diffetence I hear with the plug disconnected is slightly louder rumble driving in comfort mode at lower rpms. And of course evenly dirty exhaust tips when washing the car.
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As the above quote says, I think that it is closed during cold start so that the cat can reach temperatures faster. If it was opened at cold start, it would take longer to light the cat off. I am positive that it is closed during cold start and opens after a minute or so. When it is opened and closed after that, I am not sure. I would guess that as soon as you start driving, it will close again until you hit a certain RPM or apply a certain amount of throttle which is why doing the golf tee mod may still be beneficial so that it will be open throughout the entire RPM range rather then just after 3k or whatever it is. I'm going to unplug mine like the person above did after it opens so that it will always stay open. |
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So, as the posted above asked, is there any downside to have the valve open all the time?
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Just one question: when you talk about the kat in the downpipe you mean the pre-kat, isn't it? Because the principal kat is in the middle of the exhaust-line. Another question: before fixing MPPK I felt significant differences in the "burbles" noise between Confort mode and Sport mode, while now there is almost the same effect. This is due to valve management that is now the same with MPPK, put aside the drive mode? |
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There's no "downside" to having the exhaust open all the time - same thing on the N54 engine, which had 2 turbos, 2 mufflers, and 1 flap.
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If no downside to opening the exhaust valve, I think I'll give this a try.
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Let us know how it works out - I'm considering doing this myself. Particularly interested whether or not it gets too loud when cruising in comfort mode.
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