[bwaltz]

Originally Posted by ArthurKing1220

To me, the 435 (and the S5) are the $60k versions of a 911 Carrera -- not saying they're equivalent, saying that they share the same outlook on driving and the purpose of a car and the goals of the particular model. And some people will take that comment as high praise; and some people will take that comment as a reason to never step foot in a 435. And I suspect -- of course -- that the 4 Series is targeted to the people who would take it as praise, meaning the same people who don't need loud pipes to announce a fast car or necessarily want to have everyone looking at them while driving to the grocery but, at the same time, enjoy knowing how capable their car is in a twisty or from a red light.

Well put. It's not about being noticed or making a statement. It's not that at all. It's about an extremely well-balanced car that is very responsive and fun to drive (especially in twisties and carving through traffic), yet very comfortable at the same time.

[jbrskissummitcolo]

I recall hearing that James and Richard spent time in the M5/V10 prior to Jeremy's review video and changed every setting they possibly could to make it annoy him - succeeded beyond their dreams.

Regarding the 435 Review - I have to agree 100% with the joy that the sport button brings.
I did a test drive of an Audi S5 with 6MT and followed it 30 minutes later with a drive of a 335 with MT. I don't need sport/comfort/eco modes - just make it sport and who cares about the rest.

I really really like the look of the S5 (more than the 435), it is a nice car but the engine response seems like a 335 in comfort setting.
Maybe it is because of the altitude in Denver, maybe it is because of the difference between supercharged and turbocharged, I liked driving the 335 more than the S5 and the 435 looks almost as good.

My first 4 wheeled BMW....435i is now on order

side note: my new car will have to share garage space with my two other BMWs, yet I'm not a loyal customer because they only have two wheels - WTH

[Charlie Brown]

I'll start right off admitting I'm biased and spoiled when it comes to BMWs. Why? Because my current car is an F10 M5 with all the options including full leather and B&O. This means whenever I get into another 3/4/5 series it's a tall order to inspire me.

That said, the company I work for provides a set sum to purchase a car as long as it is not a V8. I have to cover any amount over the set allotment. They also pay for gas, insurance, maintenance, even car washes. Thus I'm considering the 3/4/535 as a daily driver. I've driven the 328/335, 528/535 and now the 428. I'll drive the 435 as soon as my dealer gets one. I agree with Clarkson on the styling of the 4 series. The 428 I drove was the M-Sport version. It looks good but stock it isn't going to generate double takes. I'm very ok with that. My issue is the overall package. I like the 2.0L turbo / 8 speed auto combination BMW uses in the 3/4/528. It's great for zipping around town and sipping gas on the highway. But so far, if I were forced to get the 2.0L, I'd get it in the 328. I like the handling and "sporty" feel of the 328 and let's face it, no one is going to accuse you of pretending to be the autobahn meister. The 428 just doesn't feel right with the 2.0L. I'd have to get the 3.0L turbo. Same with the 528. The 428 just needs more power to match its looks and stance and the 528 because of the weight. Truth is I'd get the 335 over the 328 as well. I'm addicted to torque. Like I said, I'm biased and spoiled.

Of course I could wait for the M3/4 as they will qualify as company cars however I'll have to come out of pocket a lot more to cover what the company doesn't.

[Lara Croft]

This is his way of not only saying he likes it but its not for the pretentious

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[Phaeron]

Originally Posted by YodaSyrup

Let's face facts, BMW is designing out the unique heritage that made it special - a driver's car first and foremost. We're left with cars that have more mass appeal, technology and luxury. Are the new cars still driver centric? Yes, but less so with every new generation. Will they sell more 3's and 4's than before? They will.

That is a load of bunk. There was a great Drive interview where Nelson Ireson spoke about how people were complaining about "less driver centric" cars and his point was very very good. Simply put the only reason old BMWs were designed the way they were because they simply didn't have the current technology that is available today. If they had the tech that they do now they would have been in the old cars. The assertion that they wouldn't to keep the "purity" of the driving experience is absurd.

Simply put old BMWs were built that way because that was the only way to achieve the performance numbers they gained at the time.

[EHDEN]

who cares about this guy. tell him to shove it and go back to writing in his diary.

[N55Nick]

^^ don't feed the troll

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by ArthurKing1220

I read that review as being a dig at the braggadocio car culture that is thriving in central London and as subtle high praise for the 435 -- subtle exactly in keeping with why Clarkson liked the car: because it's a car for people who are grown up and want something fast but also want to avoid looking like an idiot on either end of the car-cost spectrum (i.e., to distance themselves both from the low-end looks over performance crew as well as the more up-market types who would wonder why you're paying $60k for a 435 when you could get a 'vet or a G37 or a Cayman).


To me, the 435 (and the S5) are the $60k versions of a 911 Carrera -- not saying they're equivalent, saying that they share the same outlook on driving and the purpose of a car and the goals of the particular model. And some people will take that comment as high praise; and some people will take that comment as a reason to never step foot in a 435. And I suspect -- of course -- that the 4 Series is targeted to the people who would take it as praise, meaning the same people who don't need loud pipes to announce a fast car or necessarily want to have everyone looking at them while driving to the grocery but, at the same time, enjoy knowing how capable their car is in a twisty or from a red light.

435 and S5 are GT( Grand Touring ) cars and 911 is a pure sports car. Zero comparison IMO.

[ArthurKing1220]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

435 and S5 are GT( Grand Touring ) cars and 911 is a pure sports car. Zero comparison IMO.

I'd disagree. The 911 of course out-performs cars like the 435 and the S5 but I think it's just as much a grand tourer as the other two. Grand tourer means a sporty but also luxurious automobile that is designed to cover long distances at high speeds. That's a classic definition of a 911. Especially these days in the post-air-cooled era, the pure "sports car" at Porsche is the Cayman.

[Lara Croft]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I'll start right off admitting I'm biased and spoiled when it comes to BMWs. Why? Because my current car is an F10 M5 with all the options including full leather and B&O. This means whenever I get into another 3/4/5 series it's a tall order to inspire me.

That said, the company I work for provides a set sum to purchase a car as long as it is not a V8. I have to cover any amount over the set allotment. They also pay for gas, insurance, maintenance, even car washes. Thus I'm considering the 3/4/535 as a daily driver. I've driven the 328/335, 528/535 and now the 428. I'll drive the 435 as soon as my dealer gets one. I agree with Clarkson on the styling of the 4 series. The 428 I drove was the M-Sport version. It looks good but stock it isn't going to generate double takes. I'm very ok with that. My issue is the overall package. I like the 2.0L turbo / 8 speed auto combination BMW uses in the 3/4/528. It's great for zipping around town and sipping gas on the highway. But so far, if I were forced to get the 2.0L, I'd get it in the 328. I like the handling and "sporty" feel of the 328 and let's face it, no one is going to accuse you of pretending to be the autobahn meister. The 428 just doesn't feel right with the 2.0L. I'd have to get the 3.0L turbo. Same with the 528. The 428 just needs more power to match its looks and stance and the 528 because of the weight. Truth is I'd get the 335 over the 328 as well. I'm addicted to torque. Like I said, I'm biased and spoiled.

Of course I could wait for the M3/4 as they will qualify as company cars however I'll have to come out of pocket a lot more to cover what the company doesn't.

The 2014 M3 and m4 has a 3.2 V6 Twin Turbo and not a V8. So you should be ok with your company

[Lara Croft]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I'll start right off admitting I'm biased and spoiled when it comes to BMWs. Why? Because my current car is an F10 M5 with all the options including full leather and B&O. This means whenever I get into another 3/4/5 series it's a tall order to inspire me.

That said, the company I work for provides a set sum to purchase a car as long as it is not a V8. I have to cover any amount over the set allotment. They also pay for gas, insurance, maintenance, even car washes. Thus I'm considering the 3/4/535 as a daily driver. I've driven the 328/335, 528/535 and now the 428. I'll drive the 435 as soon as my dealer gets one. I agree with Clarkson on the styling of the 4 series. The 428 I drove was the M-Sport version. It looks good but stock it isn't going to generate double takes. I'm very ok with that. My issue is the overall package. I like the 2.0L turbo / 8 speed auto combination BMW uses in the 3/4/528. It's great for zipping around town and sipping gas on the highway. But so far, if I were forced to get the 2.0L, I'd get it in the 328. I like the handling and "sporty" feel of the 328 and let's face it, no one is going to accuse you of pretending to be the autobahn meister. The 428 just doesn't feel right with the 2.0L. I'd have to get the 3.0L turbo. Same with the 528. The 428 just needs more power to match its looks and stance and the 528 because of the weight. Truth is I'd get the 335 over the 328 as well. I'm addicted to torque. Like I said, I'm biased and spoiled.

Of course I could wait for the M3/4 as they will qualify as company cars however I'll have to come out of pocket a lot more to cover what the company doesn't.

The 2014 M3 and m4 has a 3.0 V6 Twin Turbo and not a V8. So you should be ok with your company

[tuco44]

Originally Posted by Lara Croft

The 2014 M3 and m4 has a 3.0 V6 Twin Turbo and not a V8. So you should be ok with your company

Really, a V6, so you say. Could have fooled me.

[Lara Croft]

Originally Posted by tuco44

Really, a V6, so you say. Could have fooled me.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/4-s...d-release-date

The new BMW M3 Saloon and M4 Coupe have been fully revealed, ahead of a public debut at the Detroit Motor show in January. Read on for all the latest details on both cars, including the UK price, specs and release date.

The engine used in both cars is the same: a 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight six engine, which replaces the 4.0-litre naturally aspirated V8 in the previous M3 saloon and coupe. While that old engine produced 414bhp, this new one makes 425bhp - and thanks to a weight reduction of 80kg, the 0-62mph time for both models is down from 4.6 seconds to 4.1 seconds with the dual-clutch



Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/4-s...#ixzz2nSmovIj1

[BimmerQuest]

Originally Posted by Lara Croft

The engine used in both cars is the same: a 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight six engine, which replaces the 4.0-litre naturally aspirated V8 in the previous M3 saloon and coupe.

[David328M-Sport]

Originally Posted by Gitte

Did anyone else read this in Jeremy Clarkson's voice?

"The six cylinder used in the 435i is one of the best turbo assisted straight 6 engines.........in the world!"

[David328M-Sport]

Originally Posted by Lara Croft

The 2014 M3 and m4 has a 3.0 V6 Twin Turbo and not a V8.

LOL!!! BMW don't build V6 engines. It's a straight 6 with two mono scroll turbos.

[Lara Croft]

Originally Posted by David328M-Sport

LOL!!! BMW don't build V6 engines. It's a straight 6 with two mono scroll turbos.

Yes its a straight line 6, I will just punish myself for that one :-)

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by ArthurKing1220

I'd disagree. The 911 of course out-performs cars like the 435 and the S5 but I think it's just as much a grand tourer as the other two. Grand tourer means a sporty but also luxurious automobile that is designed to cover long distances at high speeds. That's a classic definition of a 911. Especially these days in the post-air-cooled era, the pure "sports car" at Porsche is the Cayman.

Good point. Boxster too.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by YodaSyrup

Let's face facts, BMW is designing out the unique heritage that made it special - a driver's car first and foremost. We're left with cars that have more mass appeal, technology and luxury. Are the new cars still driver centric? Yes, but less so with every new generation. Will they sell more 3's and 4's than before? They will.

I agree 100%. Who buys their cars? More housewives than enthusiasts(for 3ers). Try and find an RWD 6mt. Its not like they are all dbl clutch autos....mostly plain old AT. Look at the "M" brand. It is now an option on every model (I think) and aon most it is simply cosmetic with "M" badges everywhere. That cheapens the "M" brand. It used to be the pinnacle. BMW is in a sales race/competition and focusing on enthusiasts won't help their cause. They are a marketing machine that has been successfully aimed at the wealthy and the lower priced cars make up the volume as their owners jump on the bandwagon. Thats how I see it.

[Nick the Greek]

Interesting to read how the different marques are viewed overseas. Here in the UK current wisdom is. -

Jaguar - still a whiff of pipe and slippers about them.

Lexus - a Toyota in a pretty frock that doesn't drive great and has little image.

Audi - driven by Cocks who don't care that Audis don't drive great.

Mercedes - I'm not yet retired.

Which leaves BMW as the only choice.