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      12-31-2013, 06:01 AM   #89
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Thanks for the detailed response Aritaurus.

I will be coming from a new HU_ENTRY to HU_NBT. Are all my connections also not going to fit, or are they likely to be the right connectors already?
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One more question. Aren't all NBT units for the F30 from BMW Touch Pad versions? I'm being told by somebody selling a NBT unit with controller that it is not a Touch Pad version.
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No. I think for U.S. Spec'd car, where NBT was introduced in F30 2014 Model Year, they are all iDrive 4.2 with Touch Controller, but in other parts of the world where NBT was introduced earlier, it came with older non-touch controller.
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Brilliant. Thanks again Shawn.

How easy is it to swap the non-touch Nav Pro controller for the HU_Entry one? There are two additional buttons for Media and Nav that are not on my current controller.
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      12-31-2013, 08:22 AM   #93
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Brilliant. Thanks again Shawn.

How easy is it to swap the non-touch Nav Pro controller for the HU_Entry one? There are two additional buttons for Media and Nav that are not on my current controller.
That should be a direct swap, with no additional wiring.
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Ace. Decisions made
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      12-31-2013, 09:40 AM   #95
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Would I need to somehow splice, then require the USB cable? Could be good if we could make this switched?
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      12-31-2013, 12:34 PM   #96
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Don't worry about splicing. Just shave the connector so so that you can rotate it 180 degrees and you're good. That's what I did.
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Thanks for the detailed response Aritaurus.

I will be coming from a new HU_ENTRY to HU_NBT. Are all my connections also not going to fit, or are they likely to be the right connectors already?
FM radio should be the same. Bluetooth Arial should fit as well. The only plug you need to modify is the armrest USB white hsd connector.

You will probably need to get a aftermarket gps arial and also shave that connector. 1lyfe currently has my CIC and he mentions that nav works fine with the aftermarket antenna. I think he just ran the cable to the top of the dash so it sits just below the windshield.
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Brilliant. Thanks again Shawn.

How easy is it to swap the non-touch Nav Pro controller for the HU_Entry one? There are two additional buttons for Media and Nav that are not on my current controller.
Once you pry out the trim piece that holds the controller, there's one 3 pin connector that goes into the controller. You just need to plug that into the CIC controller and you're good.
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Thanks for the detailed response Aritaurus.

I will be coming from a new HU_ENTRY to HU_NBT. Are all my connections also not going to fit, or are they likely to be the right connectors already?
Btw, do you have the 6WA cluster or the basic cluster? If you have the basic cluster, you won't be able the see the directional arrows when route guidance is running.
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      12-31-2013, 01:06 PM   #100
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Thanks Aritaurus. I will answer all the responses in one post so it is easier to respond to.

I thought that rotating it 180 degrees wouldn't work from that referenced link, since that said that the pins were mirrored horizontally not rotated. That is confirmed looking at the picture from Shawn in that thread.

The unit I am looking at already comes with a replacement GPS arial to stick behind the screen. Also I am told the screen cable is slightly different so it comes with a replacement screen cable too.

Always worried about pulling trim pieces since I have never seen it done. Do I just apply upward pressure and it on the trim piece holding the controller and it just clips out? I presume that is the same with the dash trim?

Luckily I liked the look of the Black Panel Display, so I ordered it on my original VO. Very glad that I did now.
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      12-31-2013, 01:13 PM   #101
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Luckily I liked the look of the Black Panel Display, so I ordered it on my original VO. Very glad that I did now.
6WA in an F30 has an expanded display, but is not a Black Panel Display. Black Panel displays have no gauges unless illuminated like these 6WA and 6WB Black Panels from F10:

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6WB is 100% digital, including the gauge needles:

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      12-31-2013, 01:16 PM   #102
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I don't think that is right Shawn. In the UK the Black Panel Display is an option you can buy separately or is included with the Pro Media upgrade. Without it there is no LCD display at all other than the orange type. I have never seen an F30 without needles, only an F10.

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I don't think that is right Shawn. In the UK the Black Panel Display is an option you can buy separately or is included with the Pro Media upgrade. Without it there is no LCD display at all other than the orange type. I have never seen an F30 without needles, only an F10.
Do you see the gauge faces when it is off, showing the kMh and RPM's, or is it completely black, with nothing showing except the outside gauge rings and the needles?

If it is this, it 6WA, but it is not a Black Panel display:

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Edit: Confirmed at this link:

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781911
Confirmed what? That link is for 6WB installed in an F13, but suaitable for F01, F02, F06, F07, F10, F11, F12, F13.

It is not for F30.

Where is a picture of an F30 with a Black Panel display?
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Do you see the gauge faces when it is off, showing the kMh and RPM's, or is it completely black, with nothing showing except the outside gauge rings and the needles?

If it is this, it 6WA, but it is not a Black Panel display:

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It appears BMW does not agree with you. This is from the configuration screen I ordered it using on the bmw.co.uk website. It is the only black panel display option.
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It appears BMW does not agree with you. This is from the configuration screen I ordered it using on the bmw.co.uk website. It is the only black panel display option.
Ok. Well, if just the bottom 1/4 of the display is "black panel", and BMW feels that is enough to refer to it as a "full black panel display", I'll go with it.

But a true "full black panel display" has no instrumentation showing unless it is illuminated, which is 6WA and 6WB in the 5, 6, and 7 Series.
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Ok. Well, if just the bottom 1/4 of the display is "black panel", and BMW feels that is enough to refer to it as a "full black panel display", I'll go with it.

But a true "full black panel display" has no instrumentation showing unless it is illuminated, which is 6WA and 6WB in the 5, 6, and 7 Series.
Yep. Must agree when I first specced it I expected more. But so far not an option on the 3 or 4 series, but may well be standard on the M3/4.
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Does anyone know if the adapter for the USB cable from the glovebox would be the same one if moving from HU_Entry to the older CIC?

The reason I ask is I have found a BMW USB adapter cable for retrofitting the CIC unit to a HU_Entry and I want to know if the same cable will work for NBT?
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Does anyone know if the adapter for the USB cable from the glovebox would be the same one if moving from HU_Entry to the older CIC?

The reason I ask is I have found a BMW USB adapter cable for retrofitting the CIC unit to a HU_Entry and I want to know if the same cable will work for NBT?
Are you planning on connecting this from the Glovebox to the NBT Head Unit?
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Apologies, I meant from the armrest to the NBT.

Here is the cable, very expensive.
http://www.caraudioexpress.co.uk/bmw...fit-cable.html
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