[paul e]

Just a note on a slightly different tack - no BMW dealer is going to turn down a $50k+ sale because he wouldn't let the customer buy (extra cost) wheels.

[Kafkaesque328]

I wonder if they'll ever make a backup camera standard? Isn't this going to be federal mandate at some point? Sort of off topic I know but I wonder what year (maybe 2021) when a base 3 series will come with things that you get in a $14000 Hyundai rental sub compact...

[Score04]

So, the 2018 Order Guideline is up on the forum but still no official announcements with possible images? Or, will they show all this on 7/1/17? What do you think is the timeline for g20 for USA? Reveal at end of 2017 at an AutoShow and then available to order 7/1/18? for late fall 2018 as a 2019? Does that sound accurate?

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by Kafkaesque328

I wonder if they'll ever make a backup camera standard? Isn't this going to be federal mandate at some point?

Back-up cameras are mandated from MY18 forward.

Originally Posted by Score04

What do you think is the timeline for g20 for USA? Reveal at end of 2017 at an AutoShow and then available to order 7/1/18? for late fall 2018 as a 2019? Does that sound accurate?

The F30 will be produced through 10/18. We'll probably see a G20 reveal in the late summer or fall of 2018, but we likely won't see production vehicles arriving stateside until early 2019.

[Score04]

Thanks for your input. I was hoping for sooner since I'm planning to look at ordering around February-April if 2018 and was hoping g20 details would be out by then to know if should hold off for it. Now, with motortrend announcing the 2 series will no longer come in manual I wonder if next gen 3 series will exclude manual trans. M2 still come in Manual?

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by hinckley

Back-up cameras are mandated from MY18 forward.

The F30 will be produced through 10/18. We'll probably see a G20 reveal in the late summer or fall of 2018, but we likely won't see production vehicles arriving stateside until early 2019.

Are we sure MY18 F30 production ends in 10/18?

There was only 1-2 months of no production between the E90 (12/10) and F30 (2/11) in the US. Based on my understanding, the US actually got the F30 2 months before EUR, which started F30 production in 4/11.

With technology improvements and stiffening competition, I don't see BMW letting there be more than 1-2 months without producing the 3 series (for US at least). If F30 ends in 10/18, I think G20 will start 11/18 or 12/18 at latest, assuming F30 definitely ends production in 10/18.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by Score04

Thanks for your input. I was hoping for sooner since I'm planning to look at ordering around February-April if 2018 and was hoping g20 details would be out by then to know if should hold off for it. Now, with motortrend announcing the 2 series will no longer come in manual I wonder if next gen 3 series will exclude manual trans. M2 still come in Manual?

G20 will be in production by 2/18 - 4/18, if not sooner, unless something goes horribly wrong.

As a guess, based on M5 not getting MT, general business direction by BMW, and the 8AT being superior from a performance and efficiency perspective, I'd share your concern regarding the G20 getting MT.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

Are we sure MY18 F30 production ends in 10/18?

Originally Posted by dwalls90

G20 will be in production by 2/18 - 4/18, if not sooner, unless something goes horribly wrong.

I don't think that there's any certainty about anything, but the educated speculation - including from our own well informed source, Jason - has definitely said a 10/18 EOP.

Originally Posted by dwalls90

There was only 1-2 months of no production between the E90 (12/10) and F30 (2/11) in the US. Based on my understanding, the US actually got the F30 2 months before EUR, which started F30 production in 4/11.

With technology improvements and stiffening competition, I don't see BMW letting there be more than 1-2 months without producing the 3 series (for US at least). If F30 ends in 10/18, I think G20 will start 11/18 or 12/18 at latest, assuming F30 definitely ends production in 10/18.

Keep in mind that there's a difference between production and delivery. Take a look at the G30 intro as an example. The F10's EOP was 10/16. The G30's SOP was 11/16 but it took until 1/17 before cars started to arrive in the US. Seems pretty reasonable to me considering production and transit times, but again, everything is just educated speculation.