[Black Prinz]

Originally Posted by fravel

Thank You, but this only BEGINS to illustrate my disappointment with Ep7, by far the worst in the entire series.

Problem 1, if Rey is not Luke's daughter then Qui-Gon was wrong about Anakin and the prophesy

Problem 2 Kylo got problems dealing with Fynn in lightsaber battle, Really? Kylo is no Sith & Fynn is no Jedi

Poe is the greatest fighter pilot ever! Wingmen are cannon fodder?

When did Smeagle/Gollum become Supreme Leader (not Darth) Wizard of OZ?

Why does Rey need any training? in anything! She' Ronda Rousey in space. "I anint no DNB"!

Supreme Leader Snooki, you just lost Starkiller and all to have Kylo prepared for his transformation into his idol Vader? Sidious would have never approved.

To be Continued

[ilikebmxbikes]

what did it mean that Rey had Lukes helmet as she sat at the foot of the A2A2?

[fravel]

Was that actually Luke's helmet? I figured it was just an old Rebel pilot helmet.

[Northern X5M]

OMG. This movie is so bad. Like others have stated it being A New Hope 2.0. Everything is same right down to the Death Star single design flaw and trench run.

This was actually a reboot in my opinion. They waisted an episode on an reboot. And to think Disney abandoned the Expanded Universe Canon for this and future movies.

My biggest disappointment is how Rey mastered the force in 15 minutes and beat a sith lord.

Why is the rebellion now called the resistance? They mostly defeated the empire, shouldn't they now be the New Republic?

Also when the resistance discovered the death star 3.0 was targeting their planet why wouldn't they just leave that planet?

And what is with the big deal of the map? Wouldn't you just need coordinates for space travel. It isn't like you are driving down a fucking road. "Take a left at Uranus..."

[Biorin]

I watched it again (coworker wanted to go), and if you go in expecting it to be absolutely horrendous, it can actually be decently entertaining in comparison. I highly recommend a strong lowering of expectations before viewing this film.
Disclaimer: you will still be irritated by Finn's bad acting and Kylo Ren being a lil bitch.

[kevinbahnz]

Ren should've kept his mask on the entire movie. I could not stop thinking of this guy from grandma's boy.

[carve]

Why the fuck was Luke missing for ages just because his nephew turned, and why did he leave a map? These are the key plot elements, and they make no sense.

[bosstones]

Originally Posted by Biorin

Disclaimer: you will still be irritated by Finn's bad acting and Kylo Ren being a lil bitch.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but you are confirming what I was suspecting of Finn based on the trailers I've seen (again and again). Will it help to keep thinking "You know nothing, Jon Snow." in my head when Kylo is around (and unmasked)?

[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by Black Prinz

Thank You, but this only BEGINS to illustrate my disappointment with Ep7, by far the worst in the entire series.

Problem 1, if Rey is not Luke's daughter then Qui-Gon was wrong about Anakin and the prophesy

Problem 2 Kylo got problems dealing with Fynn in lightsaber battle, Really? Kylo is no Sith & Fynn is no Jedi

Poe is the greatest fighter pilot ever! Wingmen are cannon fodder?

When did Smeagle/Gollum become Supreme Leader (not Darth) Wizard of OZ?

Why does Rey need any training? in anything! She' Ronda Rousey in space. "I anint no DNB"!

Supreme Leader Snooki, you just lost Starkiller and all to have Kylo prepared for his transformation into his idol Vader? Sidious would have never approved.

To be Continued

Problem 1: How is this a problem when we don't have the answer yet? And beyond that, popular opinion is that she IS his daughter.

Problem 2: Granted, but consider the fact that Ren has only had partial training, and for all we know little to no light saber training. So as you said, he's not a sith, or a master of the force. Finn also is a storm trooper, so he was technically raised to be a soldier of sorts, which can include all kinds of training with various weapons. So yes obviously he's not a Jedi, but that doesn't mean he cant learn to use a sword or stick or whatever.

The take away from Ren should be that he has great natural skills with the force, but he's not well trained. He's unstable and unsure of himself.

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by RedlinePSI

Problem 1: How is this a problem when we don't have the answer yet? And beyond that, popular opinion is that she IS his daughter.

Problem 2: Granted, but consider the fact that Ren has only had partial training, and for all we know little to no light saber training. So as you said, he's not a sith, or a master of the force. Finn also is a storm trooper, so he was technically raised to be a soldier of sorts, which can include all kinds of training with various weapons. So yes obviously he's not a Jedi, but that doesn't mean he cant learn to use a sword or stick or whatever.

The take away from Ren should be that he has great natural skills with the force, but he's not well trained. He's unstable and unsure of himself.

dont forget Fin was in charge of sanitations on the death star.

[Dracon]

Rey is most likely Luke's daughter. In the Star Wars Expanded Universe canon, Luke had several children with Mara Jade (a former assassin for the Empire). They probably changed the names (Rey was not one of the children's names in the Expanded Universe) so it wasn't too easy to figure out.

It would also explain Rey's accent somewhat, as in the first six episodes, the use of a more proper English accent was common of the more socially stratified planets (i.e. political figures and high ranking officials, royalty, etc.) whereas American accents where for the more lower-class planets.

You can see it in the previous movies in some of Leia and Padme's speech when talking normally in an America style accent and when talking in a more "official" manner switching to a more proper English based speech.

Mara Jade was raised from childhood by Palpatine, so it stands to reason that her native speech would be of a more proper English type due to her place in higher society. The fact that Rey has a similar English type accent that if they are loosely basing some of the character backstory / structure on the Expanded Universe that the accent hint is pointing to Rey being the child of Luke Skywalker and a yet to be introduced female character (i.e. Mara Jade, or whatever they'll call her in the movies).

[MChat]

Originally Posted by RedlinePSI

Finn also is a storm trooper, so he was technically raised to be a soldier of sorts, which can include all kinds of training with various weapons. So yes obviously he's not a Jedi, but that doesn't mean he cant learn to use a sword or stick or whatever.

Apparently there is a book targeted at young teens that goes into a little bit of detail on our new heros. The book does mention "sword" training for Storm Troopers; in the movie I think the intent was to show that this type of training is common for Storm Troopers with the fight between Finn and the one Storm Trooper.

[imserious]

I really liked this movie. But I have to agree... another Death Star? THAT was pretty unimaginative. I almost thought the characters were going to laugh when it was revealed that the new Death Star is the size of a planet instead of the size of a moon. Haha.

It's funny how all the movies play like a boss level though. At the end of the movie there is a boss showdown, a daring high risk plot to destroy the boss, a big explosion and then celebration around the galaxy.

They could maybe change that up a bit.

For the naysayers... Phantom Menace, Jar Jar Binks... Anakin for crying out loud. Really, you liked those movies better? Oh, I forgot about our friend Samuel L Jackson who decided to play Samuel L Jackson! Haha. The not so tricky Senator Palpatine. This list could never end. So many things to be offended by in E1-3.

Sure it could have been better, but E7 surely could have been A LOT worse. In context, I still think it was excellent and a return to the original Star Wars "feel" which was all but lost.

[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

dont forget Fin was in charge of sanitations on the death star.

haha good point as well. And that scene in the beginning was apparently his first foray into battle.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by imserious

I really liked this movie. But I have to agree... another Death Star? THAT was pretty unimaginative. I almost thought the characters were going to laugh when it was revealed that the new Death Star is the size of a planet instead of the size of a moon. Haha.

It's funny how all the movies play like a boss level though. At the end of the movie there is a boss showdown, a daring high risk plot to destroy the boss, a big explosion and then celebration around the galaxy.

They could maybe change that up a bit.

For the naysayers... Phantom Menace, Jar Jar Binks... Anakin for crying out loud. Really, you liked those movies better? Oh, I forgot about our friend Samuel L Jackson who decided to play Samuel L Jackson! Haha. The not so tricky Senator Palpatine. This list could never end. So many things to be offended by in E1-3.

Sure it could have been better, but E7 surely could have been A LOT worse. In context, I still think it was excellent and a return to the original Star Wars "feel" which was all but lost.

At least we can give Abrams props for poking fun at the "Death Star" when Solo commented about there always being some weakness to blow up the thing.

In any case it's a tall order to mix old with new while rebooting into a new direction. This series is basically uncharted territory.

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by Dracon

Rey is most likely Luke's daughter. In the Star Wars Expanded Universe canon, Luke had several children with Mara Jade (a former assassin for the Empire). They probably changed the names (Rey was not one of the children's names in the Expanded Universe) so it wasn't too easy to figure out.

It would also explain Rey's accent somewhat, as in the first six episodes, the use of a more proper English accent was common of the more socially stratified planets (i.e. political figures and high ranking officials, royalty, etc.) whereas American accents where for the more lower-class planets.

You can see it in the previous movies in some of Leia and Padme's speech when talking normally in an America style accent and when talking in a more "official" manner switching to a more proper English based speech.

Mara Jade was raised from childhood by Palpatine, so it stands to reason that her native speech would be of a more proper English type due to her place in higher society. The fact that Rey has a similar English type accent that if they are loosely basing some of the character backstory / structure on the Expanded Universe that the accent hint is pointing to Rey being the child of Luke Skywalker and a yet to be introduced female character (i.e. Mara Jade, or whatever they'll call her in the movies).

Too bad Disney decided to abandon all Expanded Universe Canon. So much source material they could have cherry picked for Episode 7. Instead they make a bad attempt at rebooting A New Hope. The franchise did not require a reboot.
A Thrawn type character would have been not only awesome, but also would have fit the time line and made for a good movie 7 and provide closure with the Empire, so that the SW universe could move on.

JJ Abrams needs to stop making movies. He lost me on the last seasons of Fringe. That show went off the rails in a big way.

[BMW F22]

http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyl...i-of-star-wars

Donnie Yen is a badass dude.

[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by carve

Why the fuck was Luke missing for ages just because his nephew turned, and why did he leave a map? These are the key plot elements, and they make no sense.

I don't think it's so much that he left a map to trace his steps, but that they know he went to the original jedi temple, and this map supposedly identified the location.

[OneRib]

I get the New Hope reboot complaints. I still enjoyed the movie and thought the way is was shot was far superior to anything in the previous 6 movies. Stormtroopers could actually hit things.

Now I do think some complaints are explained away.

One such complaint is that Rey can match Kylo Ren in their duel. This happens for a few reasons.
1- Kylo Ren has a serious inferiority complex and shown himself to be emotionally unstable. This causes him to lose focus.
2- He has not been fully trained. Even Snoke himself says to bring him to him to complete his training.
2- He was shot by Chewbacca before he goes out to fight Finn and Rey
3- Rey has trained as a jedi before. It was clear she was in Padawan clothing when dropped off on Jakku. It also looked like the Millenium Falcon dropped her off. Dhe has some memory loss but some of it is just instinct.
4- When does he train with a lightsaber? He trained in Luke's academy for a time but who knows how long and I doubt Snoke duels with him. That leaves no other Jedi to train with. Also he hasn't faced a Jedi since Luke's academy. It's not shocking that lightsaber duels aren't his strong point. The Star Wars series is littered with unnecessary duels. If you can use the force to throw things and choke people out, why would you settle it in a sword fight.

[OneRib]

Originally Posted by Biorin

you will still be irritated by Kylo Ren being a lil bitch.

That was one of the best parts. That guy needs to be on some mood stabilizers. I love that he goes off half cocked and even the First Order troops want to get the hell away from him. Also you can't deny stopping that blaster pulse was bad ass. His complete lack of emotional control and daddy issues make him a loose cannon that can be used to make a very entertaining story line going forward.

[Alvinized52]

Originally Posted by Wanween

I thought the movie was well done compared to the Phantom menace series. I had initially thought Rey was Luke Skywalker's daughter, but after rehashing the movie parts in my head I came to the conclusion she must have been the twin sister of Ben Solo. Twins run in the Skywalker family story and it makes sense that she and the rest of the family were mind wiped by Luke probably to protect her and everyone after having Ben turn to the darkside at an early age. Her only memories start at around 7 which probably the time they made the decision to stop her training and hide her away for safety as both twins turning to the darkside would be disastrous for the balance of the universe . The actually sanctioned post Return of the Jedi Star Wars books have Han and Leia having 3 kids with the 2 of them being twins. It also makes sense how Rey had such a quick aptitude for using the force since she was formally trained as a child in her deep subsconcious. This would make for a better epic family battle of brother and sister in the following episodes imo. Ok enough geeking out back to driving the ///M :P .

You're theory is interesting... But there's a couple of flaws. Mind wipe?! That would be too predictable. Besides, If Kylo Ren turned, Luke wouldn't have had a chance to wipe Kylo's mind... And therefore kylo would've remembered having a sister and would have recognized her instantly. I don't think Rey and Kylo are related in this new Star Wars canon. Forget the original expanded SW universe. Disney is rewriting everything. I dont think Luke is Rey's Father either...cuz thats too predictable.

I think it would be more interesting if Rey is related to another Jedi that Luke may have been closed to...perhaps she is QuiGonJin's grand daughter or something like that just to open up plotline possibilities a bit. It would be interesting if Luke did leave her at Jakku to protect her from himself. Maybe Luke lost himself momentarily and fell to the darkside... And somehow responsible for why Kylo Ren's rampage/killing massacre of all the other Jedis in training. And Luke decided to self banishment himself in order regain his calibration... Hence why he is at the temple.

[dogbone]

Well, I liked the movie. Perfect? No. Fun? Yes. To me, this movie was meant to show us that the franchise is in the hands of people who are fans of the original series, and they used the first film to demonstrate that and pay homage to the Original Trilogy. I'm fine with that. Call it a re-hash----fine. But it's a fun re-hash that looks amazing and one that brought some very fond memories back from when I was a kid in 1977. There's virtually no other film that could come out that could do that. I'd guess that the re-hashing is over now and the next film will pursue it's own direction.

Regarding Rey: There are several things that point toward the direction that Rey is a Kenobi grandchild. Obi-Wan was very powerful in the Force. Rey is clearly very powerful in the Force. She seems to learn and stream it's power basically in realtime (almost like downloading new skills in The Matrix). Obi-Wan was forced to oppose a younger Skywalker and beat him, but did not kill him. Rey has had conflict with a Skywalker, beat him, but did not kill him. Kenobi was sneaking around secretly in a Death Star. Rey was sneaking around secretly on Starkiller base. Obi-Wan never had any pull to the Dark Side. He always did the right thing without fail. Rey does the right thing without questioning it. She seems to have no pulls toward the Dark Side. The first time we see Obi-Wan really do a Force "trick", he tricks a Stormtrooper into letting them pass at Mos Eisley. The first time we see Rey try a Force trick, she tries to get a Stormtrooper to free her. He had a British accent. She has a British accent. Everyone else has an American accent.

If Obi-Wan found love----which is totally possible since The Clone Wars tv show is still canon and showed him being very drawn to a love interest----he could have had a child that became Rey's parent. And to add on top of all that, how interesting would it be if Luke was the dad in this case? Then she could really be a powerhouse in the Force with genetic lineage from both Luke and Obi-Wan.

Other thoughts:

-It seems to bother a lot of people that Rey picks up the Force so quickly. I'm not bothered by it at all. I think it's done very purposefully to demonstrate how powerful Rey is with the Force once it has been "awakened" in her. Everyone feels it----Snoke, Ren and I'm absolutely sure Luke feels it. (I'll bet Luke used the Force to wake R2D2 up because of all this.) This is not some mildly Force-sensitive girl that's destined to "dabble" in the Force like maybe Maz Kanata. Clearly, it's being demonstrated that she's going to wield it very effectively. That's probably why Rey didn't want anything to do with it initially. The tidal wave of intensity from her visions on her senses and emotional state were so strong that it freaked her out. Someone earlier asked why the shot of her and Ren was so long during that dual stalemate on the edge of the cliff. It's because she was holding him off and taking a moment to channel the Force, and coming back stronger. It's done on purpose to put everyone on notice that they better look the f--k out. She's got the goods when it comes to the Force. Tell me Ren won't be thinking twice the next time he sees her....or cursing her name every time he looks in a mirror now that she gave him a little facial reconstruction.

-I really liked the scene when Ren is reading her mind, and while he's doing it, she's learning about the Force and then she starts doing a mind-job on him. She has subtle facial changes that go from panic to calm and then a bit of aggression. Then you can hear the low Force rumble that occurs when he uses the Force being becoming intermittent because she's ruining his mojo! I thought it was great!

-I loved how much Millennium Falcon was in this film. It was an awesome piece of eye candy throughout the film. I could watch 20 straight minutes of just Falcon video! C'mon, who didn't love watching that Falcon fly into a rusted out Star Destroyer!!? Only a fan of Star Wars could nerd out enough to come up with that little gem!

-For sure, Han had to go. I didn't know anything about the plot, but I warned my kids as we entered the theatre that it was a very real possibility. They needed a big death to give the film some weight. (Plus anyone who follows Harrison Ford knows he was eager to have Han killed off in Episode 6, but Lucas overruled him.) Killing pretty much anyone else besides Chewie would just not have even remotely the same weight. And the fans would have nerd-rioted if you killed Chewbacca, so it had to be Han, and I told my kids, he's going to go out in some really heroic way. And how can you die a better death than trying to save your child? I am disappointed that they weren't able to salvage his body for a proper memorial. It seemed so sad and disrespectful to have him limply fall into an abyss. They need us to hate Kylo Ren. I think it's safe to say we do. The question is, is he beyond saving now? For sure, we thought Vader was beyond saving.

-I found Ren's temper tantrums to be amusing, and did a fine job of showing his instability and foul personality. I loved the Stormtroopers' reactions as they hightailed it outta there as sparks are flying out of the interrogation room.

-The "cantina" scene at Maz Kanata's place didn't do much for me. The music was not interesting and they moved so quickly through the bar that you couldn't really see much of any of the characters in there. And the flashback sequence was----ummm----interesting. Again, it moved REALLY fast. I had to find out online that lines from Alec McGuinness and Ewan McGregor were used.....sheesh. And I have the same dang question as everyone else which is, how the heck did someone find Luke's lightsabre after it was cut from his arm in the Cloud City? That is a serious salvage......

Anyway, in 18 months, we'll add some more pieces to the puzzle!