[cays]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

The real main reason was we destroyed their food supply when we killed off the massive buffalo herds they depended upon in a few short years. This was the greatest factor in their demise but it isn't even listed.

You agree with Native American mythology:

Everything the Kiowas had came from the buffalo . . . . The buffalo were the life of the Kiowa . . . . The buffalo loved their people as much as the Kiowas loved them . . . . So when the white man wanted to build railroads, or when they wanted to farm and raise cattle, the buffalo protected the Kiowa. They tore up the railroad tracks and the gardens. They chased the cattle off the ranges.
Then the white man hired hunters to do nothing but kill the buffalo. Up and down the plain these men ranged, shooting sometimes as many as a hundred buffalo a day. Behind them came skinners with their wagons. They piled the hides . . . into the wagons until they were full and then took their loads to the new railroad stations that were being built, to be shipped east to the market.
The buffalo saw that their day was over. They could protect their people no longer. Sadly, the last remnant of the great herd gathered in council, and decided what they would do.
Straight to Mount Scott the leader of the herd walked. Behind him came the cows and their calves, and the few young males who had survived. As the woman watched, the face of the mountain opened.
Inside Mount Scott the world was green and fresh, as it had been when she was a small girl. The rivers ran clear, not red. The wild plums were in blossom, chasing the redbuds up the inside slopes. Into this world of beauty, the buffalo walked never to be seen again.

--Old Lady Horse (Kiowa), n.d. as told to Alice Marriott, from American Indian Mythologies by Alice Marriott and Carol K. Rachlin, New York: Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc., 1968

[Fundguy1]

See. Even the Indians agree. The current pc account I feel insults the Indians making them look like poor weak gentile people that whitey killed. The reality wad they were a fierce group of warriors too that used hit and run tactics for the first time and often had the upper hand for centuries.

[grimlock]

The buffalo? really?

[Fundguy1]

Yes. Really.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...ian-wars-30798

[grimlock]

Referring to buffalo "Genocide" before humans is my point.

[Ric in RVA]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Troop strength was covered. Dropping a dozen bombs a day is our present response vs thousands a day in Gulf 1.

Isis kills for ideology. Their methods of killing are just as bad as ww2. Their reason is the same. They regard others not like them as inferior and worthless so killing them is not the same as killing their own. They burn alive, stone, behead, dismember, rape, enslave, torture, hang, drown, bury alive. I fail to see how they are less evil in their methods than the Japanese or Germans. At least they did this for knowledge and not just because you're not a raving jihadist.

ISIS is organ harvesting for fun and profit.....

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Referring to buffalo "Genocide" before humans is my point.

The army killed the Buffalo to starve the Indians and stop their mobile food supply. It worked. This was their downfall, not the cavalry or smallpox.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

The army killed the Buffalo to starve the Indians and stop their mobile food supply. It worked. This was their downfall, not the cavalry or smallpox.

Interesting, anyway I was not arguing with you at any point

[cays]

I thought it was still common knowledge these days that the buffalo were killed deliberately as a control mechanism to allow the gov't to confine bands/tribes to reservations and create a state of complete dependency on the dole. I wouldn't be surprised now that I think about it that these things are no longer taught in (at least, public) high schools any more. The Kiowa tribe as referred to above were actually quite feared in their time as plains raiders who were brutal in their methods, but it doesn't lessen the simple beauty of their relationship with the buffalo and nature as a whole..

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by cays

I thought it was still common knowledge these days that the buffalo were killed deliberately as a control mechanism to allow the gov't to confine bands/tribes to reservations and create a state of complete dependency on the dole. I wouldn't be surprised now that I think about it that these things are no longer taught in (at least, public) high schools any more. The Kiowa tribe as referred to above were actually quite feared in their time as plains raiders who were brutal in their methods, but it doesn't lessen the simple beauty of their relationship with the buffalo and nature as a whole..

Good reply.

[Mywifes335]

Unit 731 was an organized effort that was initiated from the very top command of the Japanese government.

It was widespread with hundreds of thousands of people affected an subjected to unspeakable tortures.

It's not the torture of a few people for terrorist flair or wartime information. Nor was it mass genocide with swift killing. It was calculated, organized, methodically and specifically executed atrocity done in the name of science and country (Japan) while the Japanese soldiers enjoyed their duty similar to how they now enjoy tentacle porn and buying soiled panties from vending machines.

Please Google Unit 731. This shit wasn't the same. BOTH my grandfathers fought against the Japanese and with US forces prior to WWII. I've heard these stories first hand.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Unit 731 was an organized effort that was initiated from the very top command of the Japanese government.

It was widespread with hundreds of thousands of people affected an subjected to unspeakable tortures.

It's not the torture of a few people for terrorist flair or wartime information. Nor was it mass genocide with swift killing. It was calculated, organized, methodically and specifically executed atrocity done in the name of science and country (Japan) while the Japanese soldiers enjoyed their duty similar to how they now enjoy tentacle porn and buying soiled panties from vending machines.

Please Google Unit 731. This shit wasn't the same. BOTH my grandfathers fought against the Japanese and with US forces prior to WWII. I've heard these stories first hand.

The Japanese didn't do medical experiments on 10s of thousands. They killed hundreds of thousands and raped as well. Isis is basically doing the same to Iraq and wherever they go. Isis has killed a couple hundred thousand so far, and in similar amounts in torturous death as the Japanese did experiments on, and raped or sold women into sec slavery throughout their area of influence.

[lakefront]

No, the Japanese did not kill hundreds of thousands. They killed up to 15 MILLION mostly civilians in SE Asia. Mostly Chinese (10 million). Japan does not get nearly enough blame for the things they did in and just before WW2. Call someone Hitler or a Nazi and its the worst thing in the world, but the Japanese were as bad or worse. And simply because they felt they were a superior race and no one else deserved to be treated as a human being.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///WORK-F36

Seems stupid to risk American lives when the middle eastern countries who surround ISIS should be doing this themselves

I'm fairly certain that in 1939 this was said, (before Al Gore invented the internet) in bars around the country.

Fight them over there or fight them over here.

[///WORK-F36]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm fairly certain that in 1939 this was said, (before Al Gore invented the internet) in bars around the country.

Fight them over there or fight them over here.

The surrounding middle east countries should fight them themselves, their military outnumbers ISIS 200-1

Germany had like 1.5 to 2million Soldiers when they invaded Poland, ISIS has like 25k members at best.

[cays]

Originally Posted by ///WORK-F36

The surrounding middle east countries should fight them themselves, their military outnumbers ISIS 200-1

Germany had like 1.5 to 2million Soldiers when they invaded Poland, ISIS has like 25k members at best.

You can figure out something from this quote:

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters.

The Guardian
6/12/2014

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by lakefront

No, the Japanese did not kill hundreds of thousands. They killed up to 15 MILLION mostly civilians in SE Asia. Mostly Chinese (10 million). Japan does not get nearly enough blame for the things they did in and just before WW2. Call someone Hitler or a Nazi and its the worst thing in the world, but the Japanese were as bad or worse. And simply because they felt they were a superior race and no one else deserved to be treated as a human being.

Yes. Hundreds of thousands was in the area of China Unit 731 was alone.

Hirohito's Generals = Hitler
WWII Japanese Army = Perverted Nazi

Long live tentacle porn and schoolgirl outfits. Not.

[Fundguy1]

Again and? Werner Von Braun and his rocket scientists also got the same accommodations. They ran an area where tens of thousands of Jewish prisoners died building their v2 rockets and did nothing about it. They come here and build the Saturn V and get ticker tape parades. The point is at the time, Stalin was the biggest monster, we needed the intelligence and information the Japanese and Germans had to get ahead of the Soviets because we thought there would be another war. So we made deals that at the time we're necessary to get the upper hand. This is why these guys were spared. Stain as you probably know killed over 30mm and is mankind's number 1 murderer.

[Fundguy1]

Point is I'm not condoning what they did. And the reason we let them slide was to protect us. But now with isis, what's the excuse for letting them be? We know they make their money from oil traded on the black market transported by truck. But we won't bomb the trucks because one of the drivers may not be isis and it may cause pollution. Really? Flying an F18 to bomb them causes more pollution. Geez. What's next? Reduce the performance or our fighter jets by strapping the equivalent of a catalytic converter on them?

[tc328]

You ppl know Mexicans are native Indians that the earlier white folks took the land from.

Now they're trying to come back

[tc328]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

No I don't have it wrong. That's the politically correct version. The Indians are just as guilty as the white man. They also killed, murdered, slaughtered, skinned, scalped, raped, kidnapped as well. Many of the first settlements were killed by Indians without provocation. Just because I said indians, I did not mean that they were the bad guys or at fault any more than the white man was at fault against them. It was a deliberate plant put there to see if anyone would ignorantly reply as you did. The reality was both sides were monstrous to each other. The old version had cowboys as good guys and whites as bad guys. The new version, equally wrong but politically correct because it blames white Christians, us that the Indians were peaceful people who we killed and stole their land from out of greed. The reality is in the middle. Both were just and wrong in their actions. This is in contrast to isis or nazis where one side is clearly at fault. That said, I was correct in naming them as a culture that committed barbarous acts like I listed the others. Cutting out hearts from live captives, staking people to the ground to be baked alive in the sun or eaten by ants, etc. All the same shit. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy, narrow mindedness, and one sidedness again of the liberal left and current education system which due to political correctness founded on a false imposed guilt blames white men for all the world's wrongs so it can push an agenda.

And yes I was a history minor but could have graduated with it as a major specifically covering the periods of American settlement, Germany 1873-1945, and the age of Charlemagne. Your account has had all the Indian atrocities omitted or removed making them the martyr instead of just the loosing culture.

Huh? If someone came to your house and fucked your wife and daughter then take your stuff...what would you do?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by tc328

Huh? If someone came to your house and fucked your wife and daughter then take your stuff...what would you do?

Which is what both sides did. More the Indians. The settlers made houses and fences. Indians would put together war parties to do just that, and skin you too.