Mods causing me to run lean?

tdoggatm2002 · 03-10-2015, 03:34 PM

I just recently installed a Wagner IC and ER Charge Pipe. I have Mppk and exhaust package for the past year. It seems as if I lost a little HP in pulls and my sport displays show me at 300 hp now at full boost. Dispalys used to read 335 hp before mods this weekend. Also, I have an increase in audible blow off sound from the drivers side. Does this mean my engine is running lean and a loss of HP? Does Mppk tune adjust to mods on its own? Thanks.

Buckeyes · 03-10-2015, 03:37 PM

I don't think the sports display actually shows horse power or torque, just throttle position correlated to Hp.

tdoggatm2002 · 03-10-2015, 04:30 PM

So my mods might be throwing these display readings off? I guess I will need to find a Dino shop.

Mike_L · 03-10-2015, 07:12 PM

You're not making any more power than you were with just the MPPK. None of those mods will free up any power or increase flow rate. Do some real mods. Intake, downpipe, JB4, etc.

smithf80 · 03-10-2015, 07:26 PM

Curious as to why you are hearing more blow off.... Maybe your CP is not installed correctly and has a small boost leak...

Because a CP and IC should not increase blow off because they are not making the car make any more boost or anything.

Mike_L · 03-10-2015, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smithf32

Curious as to why you are hearing more blow off.... Maybe your CP is not installed correctly and has a small boost leak...

Because a CP and IC should not increase blow off because they are not making the car make any more boost or anything.

Especially on the drivers side, because the turbo and wastegate are on the passengers side.

smithf80 · 03-10-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_L

Especially on the drivers side, because the turbo and wastegate are on the passengers side.

Yup, I'm going with improperly installed CP or defective CP

mike@x-ph.com · 03-11-2015, 11:35 AM

Sounds to me that you have a leak .. check the install again

tdoggatm2002 · 03-11-2015, 02:48 PM

Thanks for the input. Took my car in to do a smoke test and they are not detecting any leaks throughout the system. The German tune shop said no codes are being thrown but that I may be over boosting or that my PPK may not be accommodating for the increase in air from the IC or CP. They think I just get a more powerful tune.

Mike_L · 03-11-2015, 03:24 PM

Again, there is no increase in air. Unless the turbo is bringing in more air or making more boost, there is no extra flow in the system. An intercooler doesn't increase flow, it just cools the charge. A charge pipe doesn't increase flow, it just deals with the charge thats already in the motor.

Plus, the MPPK can handle extra flow. Theres a guy here with tons of mods on top of his PPK running fine.

tdoggatm2002 · 03-11-2015, 04:55 PM

Yeah that is why I am finding his issue so weird. Is it normal to be hearing the much louder pssssssssst sound from the engine compartment through the whole rpm range at wot?

Mike_L · 03-11-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tdoggatm2002

Yeah that is why I am finding his issue so weird. Is it normal to be hearing the much louder pssssssssst sound from the engine compartment through the whole rpm range at wot?

So its just constantly blowing off boost? Do you have the pneumatic wastegate or electronic?

tdoggatm2002 · 03-11-2015, 11:50 PM

Mechanical waste gate

tdoggatm2002 · 03-13-2015, 12:55 AM

Pneumatic waste gate

Mike_L · 03-13-2015, 09:55 AM

Trying to get some info on exactly how it works. Thinking its activated by engine vacuum, which would mean the cause of it blowing off would be a lack of vacuum. Trying to verify, but having a hard time getting info on it.

tdoggatm2002 · 03-14-2015, 02:50 PM

I had read some posts about vacuum leaks and was thinking that may be the case. However, the smoke and pressure test indicated no leaks. Could it be that Vanos issue that some others had where the bolt sheared off in the Vanos system?

rustyminded · 03-14-2015, 04:25 PM

Why not try do a battery reset, maybe the car is not adapting well

tdoggatm2002 · 03-15-2015, 10:00 AM

Ok thanks I will try the battery ecu reset tonight, 8 hours minimum time correct?

tdoggatm2002 · 03-15-2015, 10:04 AM

Rustyminded, I noticed that you have a afe air scoop as well. Did you notice any additional sounds during 3000 rpm or higher accelerations? Could the load psssssstttttt sound just be the extra air coming into my intake? But, that still wouldn't explain the 30 hp loss on my displays.

Maybe the battery reset will work. Thanks!

Fast400 · 04-23-2015, 02:40 AM

Did you get it fixed?

rustyminded · 04-23-2015, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tdoggatm2002

Rustyminded, I noticed that you have a afe air scoop as well. Did you notice any additional sounds during 3000 rpm or higher accelerations? Could the load psssssstttttt sound just be the extra air coming into my intake? But, that still wouldn't explain the 30 hp loss on my displays.

Maybe the battery reset will work. Thanks!

No at all. just the pedal felt a little beafy on higher speed once i hit throttle the car gains quickly it doesn't increase hp but helps with intake

Earthmaster · 04-23-2015, 08:26 AM

Probably just blow off valve sound from from the MPPK air box hole.

03-10-2015, 03:34 PM	#1
tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Mods causing me to run lean? I just recently installed a Wagner IC and ER Charge Pipe. I have Mppk and exhaust package for the past year. It seems as if I lost a little HP in pulls and my sport displays show me at 300 hp now at full boost. Dispalys used to read 335 hp before mods this weekend. Also, I have an increase in audible blow off sound from the drivers side. Does this mean my engine is running lean and a loss of HP? Does Mppk tune adjust to mods on its own? Thanks.
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	So my mods might be throwing these display readings off? I guess I will need to find a Dino shop.
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Thanks for the input. Took my car in to do a smoke test and they are not detecting any leaks throughout the system. The German tune shop said no codes are being thrown but that I may be over boosting or that my PPK may not be accommodating for the increase in air from the IC or CP. They think I just get a more powerful tune.
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Mike_L Banned 284 Rep 1,961 Posts Drives: 2015 335xi GT M-Sport MPPK Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New York City iTrader: (2)	Again, there is no increase in air. Unless the turbo is bringing in more air or making more boost, there is no extra flow in the system. An intercooler doesn't increase flow, it just cools the charge. A charge pipe doesn't increase flow, it just deals with the charge thats already in the motor. Plus, the MPPK can handle extra flow. Theres a guy here with tons of mods on top of his PPK running fine.
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Yeah that is why I am finding his issue so weird. Is it normal to be hearing the much louder pssssssssst sound from the engine compartment through the whole rpm range at wot?
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03-11-2015, 11:50 PM	#13
tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Mechanical waste gate
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03-13-2015, 12:55 AM	#14
tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Pneumatic waste gate
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Mike_L Banned 284 Rep 1,961 Posts Drives: 2015 335xi GT M-Sport MPPK Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New York City iTrader: (2)	Trying to get some info on exactly how it works. Thinking its activated by engine vacuum, which would mean the cause of it blowing off would be a lack of vacuum. Trying to verify, but having a hard time getting info on it.
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	I had read some posts about vacuum leaks and was thinking that may be the case. However, the smoke and pressure test indicated no leaks. Could it be that Vanos issue that some others had where the bolt sheared off in the Vanos system?
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Ok thanks I will try the battery ecu reset tonight, 8 hours minimum time correct?
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tdoggatm2002 New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 2012 X5M Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Newport, RI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i [0.00]	Rustyminded, I noticed that you have a afe air scoop as well. Did you notice any additional sounds during 3000 rpm or higher accelerations? Could the load psssssstttttt sound just be the extra air coming into my intake? But, that still wouldn't explain the 30 hp loss on my displays. Maybe the battery reset will work. Thanks!
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