[24601]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

"...the build quality teaches the rivals a lesson or two.."

That's what I've been saying from day one with the F3X... SMH.

[Matski]

Originally Posted by Powaup

LSD!??

From the article:

BMW has added a few retrofit goodies to our car. Perhaps sharing our own (unspoken) concern about the 435i’s power credentials in this company, they’ve pulled a dealer-installed 34bhp upgrade out of the hat. Other available upgrades include a limited-slip differential, a free-flow exhaust and a quite aggressive body kit. Factory options worth considering are sport brakes, variable sports steering and of course bigger wheels.

This relates to the car from the 2nd day test at the circuit I think.

[Taipei-TT]

Count me in the camp that is disappointed by the 4 series interior and exterior.

I thought the entire point of the 4 was to offer a greater distinction from the sedan. But you have to look carefully to even notice it's the coupe. Inside it's the same. Not what I was expecting.

Sure, the 4 is a great car, but I wouldn't give up the utility of the sedan or gc in exchange for the small performance differences and nominal visual changes.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by Powaup

LSD!??

When are BMW going to get on with and release a 350-360bhp M340 & M440?

It wouldn't be an uninformed statement to say that most of us cannot be arsed with a DIY Lego car and would like an Audi S competitor off the peg without having to buy software upgrades and aftermarket kits.

[Crusader]

Audi seems to own interior design, not so sure about the exterior package. Need to drive one, but the 4'er intrigues me. The cludgy fender vent looks like a gold mine for the aftermarket, the current treatment has to go (check out any classic Ferrari on how it should be done ... or a '67 Vette).

[Matski]

I really don't get the attraction to Audi interiors. The A8 is a nice enough place to be, but anything lesser... well... just m'eh... I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't.

[bclemans]

BMW is so lame not to have something to compete with the 333hp S5.

There is a M235i, no M335i, M435i. It is just bad marketing strategy and confusing to consumers. Even the 335i with the performance pack still has less power than the S5 and its engine has been around for 5 years, what gives??

BMW is trying very hard to make the least powerful cars (among Audi and Mercedes), seems like they are succeeding.

“After five consecutive Ward’s 10 Best Engines trophies, it’s safe to say Audi’s 3.0L supercharged V-6 has established a dynasty,” said Tom Murphy, executive editor of WardsAuto World magazine. “We keep waiting for another 6-cyl. engine to knock it off the list, but it just hasn’t happened.”

[Bahn360Photo]

this benz is fugly, even ugli IS is better looking then this humpback boat

[spinviper]

Audi is the ugliest.

[mcli]

I'd like to see a 435i m sport with mppk & LSD vs. an s5 with audi's torque vectoring differential. That's pretty even, and drivers really seem to love Audi' sport diff.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by bclemans

BMW is so lame not to have something to compete with the 333hp S5.

There is a M235i, no M335i, M435i. It is just bad marketing strategy and confusing to consumers. Even the 335i with the performance pack still has less power than the S5 and its engine has been around for 5 years, what gives??

BMW is trying very hard to make the least powerful cars (among Audi and Mercedes), seems like they are succeeding.

“After five consecutive Ward’s 10 Best Engines trophies, it’s safe to say Audi’s 3.0L supercharged V-6 has established a dynasty,” said Tom Murphy, executive editor of WardsAuto World magazine. “We keep waiting for another 6-cyl. engine to knock it off the list, but it just hasn’t happened.”

LOL. Really? Don't get into HP wars. Just don't, it's pointless - the E92 with the same output as the F32, was quicker around a track than the S5 in a Fifth Gear comparison.

If Audi has a dynasty with their 6-cylinder engine, BMW's straight-six is legendary.

The point is, BMW never set out to be the most powerful car in it's class. So to make that comparison is nonsense because the E9X M3 has the least amount of power between the C63 AMG and RS5 and it didn't effect the M3 one bit.

[325rider]

These cars are all insanely boring IMHO. I would get the benz and ride in sublime comfort over the crappy sports car that the audi is and the boring 435i…..
Just IMO

[ToyotaBMW]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

LOL. Really? Don't get into HP wars. Just don't, it's pointless - the E92 with the same output as the F32, was quicker around a track than the S5 in a Fifth Gear comparison.

If Audi has a dynasty with their 6-cylinder engine, BMW's straight-six is legendary.

The point is, BMW never set out to be the most powerful car in it's class. So to make that comparison is nonsense because the E9X M3 has the least amount of power between the C63 AMG and RS5 and it didn't effect the M3 one bit.

Fifth Gear where the S5 was slower had the 4.2 liter V8 and not the 3.0T engine. If you are talking engine than look at the S4 and the 335xi and you will see that the S4 is heavier yet just as quick if not quicker.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by ToyotaBMW

Fifth Gear where the S5 was slower had the 4.2 liter V8 and not the 3.0T engine. If you are talking engine than look at the S4 and the 335xi and you will see that the S4 is heavier yet just as quick if not quicker.

Regardless, whether it favours or Audi or BMW, HP doesn't mean a lot, BMW would rather tune the chassis. If you're going get angry about something with the F32 when it doesn't win comparisons, I wouldn't look at the N55 to blame.

[synclastica_86]

Originally Posted by clbmw

When are BMW going to get on with and release a 350-360bhp M340 & M440?

It wouldn't be an uninformed statement to say that most of us cannot be arsed with a DIY Lego car and would like an Audi S competitor off the peg without having to buy software upgrades and aftermarket kits.

Not happening. It's almost impossible to price such a vehicle. A fully loaded 435i approaches the price of the M4 already. Also, there is not enough difference between the N55 and S55 to slot another engine in between. I think the a 435i with MPK is as close to an 440i as you can get.

[cgaffney004]

They all look terrible.... On to the next designs please, all 3 of them. These are all wastes of money. Epic fail

[JulieDriving]

I personally think the S5 is the best looking coupe.

But the BMW edges out its competitors again in the fun department.... hmm.....

[jonshmoe]

The E400 is one hell of a car coming from a bias bmw enthusiast. I drove one from Ft. Lauderdale to Atlanta and the ride is absolutely perfect. Good power as well.

[Tattedtwice]

Originally Posted by Matski

I really don't get the attraction to Audi interiors. The A8 is a nice enough place to be, but anything lesser... well... just m'eh... I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't.

Thank you, finally someone else not drinking the kool-aid. Never been remotely impressed by an audi interior, other than the volume knob placement. Otherwise, theyre as boring as the driving experience.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by bclemans

BMW is so lame not to have something to compete with the 333hp S5.

There is a M235i, no M335i, M435i. It is just bad marketing strategy and confusing to consumers. Even the 335i with the performance pack still has less power than the S5 and its engine has been around for 5 years, what gives??

BMW is trying very hard to make the least powerful cars (among Audi and Mercedes), seems like they are succeeding.

“After five consecutive Ward’s 10 Best Engines trophies, it’s safe to say Audi’s 3.0L supercharged V-6 has established a dynasty,” said Tom Murphy, executive editor of WardsAuto World magazine. “We keep waiting for another 6-cyl. engine to knock it off the list, but it just hasn’t happened.”

I agree...very strange. Audis B9 platform will be out in a year or so and I'll bet there will be a horsepower increase. I also don't understand why they havent offered a lower and firmer suspension for the x drive to compete more closely with the Audis. Its t

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Regardless, whether it favours or Audi or BMW, HP doesn't mean a lot, BMW would rather tune the chassis. If you're going get angry about something with the F32 when it doesn't win comparisons, I wouldn't look at the N55 to blame.

.......and they are tuning for comfort now..............

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by ToyotaBMW

Fifth Gear where the S5 was slower had the 4.2 liter V8 and not the 3.0T engine. If you are talking engine than look at the S4 and the 335xi and you will see that the S4 is heavier yet just as quick if not quicker.

I think that S5 lost by about 3 inches . I think there is a reason that the S4 is always tested against rwd BMW as opposed to a more direct comparo of x drive.
These are 3 great GT cars in this test.