[Mark1966]

Originally Posted by Brigand

BRITAIN !

oh and no one has done more damage to Europe than Hitler, so don't talk utter bollox.

But I want to be a BRITIAN

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by isleaiw

If Corbyn says remain then that is a perfect reason to vote out. Labour born and bred, raised in a mining community but cant see anything he says as being good for the country.

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Corbyn has probably voted against the EU in parliament more times than any other MP, he has campaigned against the EU for most of his political life.

That's why he is so quiet on the subject...

I agree with you though he would be a disaster as the PM.

[isleaiw]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Corbyn has probably voted against the EU in parliament more times than any other MP, he has campaigned against the EU for most of his political life.

That's why he is so quiet on the subject...

I agree with you though he would be a disaster as the PM.

The only time the Tories dare have this vote - which Cameron must have known would divide the party - is when Labour are pretty much unelectable....

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by f1swk

the person that has done more long term damage to europe than hitler ever managed,on record as saying she would not interfer in britians referendum,has now issued threats that britian wont get a good deal when we leave.
must be cacking it,not that britian ever got a good deal in the first place

Occupied Europe during the war and in the immediate post war period makes the current migrant crisis look like a slightly over subscribed garden party at Buckingham palace.

[Mark1966]

Originally Posted by isleaiw

If Corbyn says remain then that is a perfect reason to vote out. Labour born and bred, raised in a mining community but cant see anything he says as being good for the country.

I think Tengo has raised some good points. Whilst I am a waverer on economic grounds, as the vote gets closer I find myself more and more behind being in charge of our own destiny - if it ends up being a mess it is our mess and we can sort it. I have more faith in that than a lesser mess that we need the EU to help sort...

Well said, lets be the Master of our own destiny

I would rather be a free poor man, than a rich man that has to run his tongue round the EU's arsehole.

[isleaiw]

Originally Posted by Mark1966

But I want to be a BRITIAN

I am

Ian

[Mark1966]

Originally Posted by isleaiw

I am

Ian

Very good

[Rukka]

Originally Posted by Mark1966

Well said, lets be the Master of our own destiny

I would rather be a free poor man, than a rich man that has to run his tongue round the EU's arsehole.

Hear, Hear!



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[Wills2]

It's all getting a bit "Braveheart" in here.....

[Rukka]

Originally Posted by Wills2

It's all getting a bit "Braveheart" in here.....

lol - not quite that bad yet


Thing is, I am patriotic and proud of my country. I'm not looking at the in/out vote as a "what's in it for me" vote.


The biggest challenge is immigration and as we stand, we cannot continue as we are and we cannot control our borders when we are in the EU.

If leaving means we have some pain but gain control - bring it on.

It's been said before but I'll reiterate, we did ok before the EU and we, as a country, will do ok without it.

Rather than what we will win or lose - this is more about the legacy we leave for our kids and grandkids.


I'm still out - nothing will change that position but if we remain "in" then at least I will have had my say and will have tried.


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I say lets invade Europe, bugger the lot of them.

Between 1066 and now, at the start of each century 1115, 1215, 1315, 1415, 1615, 1715, 1815, 1915 give or take 10 years, we have been at war with predominantly the French, bit of Germans to bugger those stats and a mini tiff with the Dutch.

So (so far) this century no wars with any of of European neighbours, it's just shocking.

Can we slip some people over for the Euro's in Paris and just sort of take over?

We can't just let a 1000 years of conflict disappear like that.

Bit of another Waterloo.


So when the EU ask what result of referendum was, we just go 'oh we decided to invade you all'

[Wills2]

Interesting the polls (I know) are neck and neck the BBC poll tracker has 41% in 41% out 13% undecided, (I know that doesn't add up to 100% but they are the figures quoted.)

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Rukka

lol - not quite that bad yet


Thing is, I am patriotic and proud of my country. I'm not looking at the in/out vote as a "what's in it for me" vote.


The biggest challenge is immigration and as we stand, we cannot continue as we are and we cannot control our borders when we are in the EU.

If leaving means we have some pain but gain control - bring it on.

It's been said before but I'll reiterate, we did ok before the EU and we, as a country, will do ok without it.

Rather than what we will win or lose - this is more about the legacy we leave for our kids and grandkids.


I'm still out - nothing will change that position but if we remain "in" then at least I will have had my say and will have tried.


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I agree we'll be fine, just fine, but I don't see how it will give us solutions to the problems we have.

But I totally understand and respect your view point, I am after all still not 100% sure what I'll do.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I am still not 100% sure what I'll do.

Me neither but as the days and weeks pass I find myself leaning more and more towards voting for Brexit. I accept a leave vote would result in short-term economic pain but, as our Prime Minister reminded everyone last night during his TV debate, we're the 5th largest economy in the world so surely we'd be able to stabilise things and stand on our own feet within a couple of years or so? That being the case the short-term economic pain feels like a price worth paying if it gives us back a greater degree of independence and autonomy over our own affairs.

In saying all of that I still believe the vote will be to remain in the EU as when push comes to shove I think the majority will be cautious and take the view "better the devil you know"...

[Tom Tallon]

No matter what the polls say , the bookies and me are telling you its a clear win for remain when it comes down to the only thing that matters - the vote.

I still say about 60% remain and 40% for Brexit.

Just because Corbyn is apparently for remain is no reason to take the other side - after all George Galloway is for leave - now there's a man I'd like to be associated with.

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Me neither but as the days and weeks pass I find myself leaning more and more towards voting for Brexit. I accept a leave vote would result in short-term economic pain but, as our Prime Minister reminded everyone last night during his TV debate, we're the 5th largest economy in the world so surely we'd be able to stabilise things and stand on our own feet within a couple of years or so? That being the case the short-term economic pain feels like a price worth paying if it gives us back a greater degree of independence and autonomy over our own affairs.

In saying all of that I still believe the vote will be to remain in the EU as when push comes to shove I think the majority will be cautious and take the view "better the devil you know"...

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If the result is remain you deserve the quote you made because that is what you will get THE DEVIL
I'm brexit

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Tom Tallon

No matter what the polls say , the bookies and me are telling you its a clear win for remain when it comes down to the only thing that matters - the vote.

Well that's it, Tallon has spoken gents....

[Mark1966]

Originally Posted by Tom Tallon

No matter what the polls say , the bookies and me are telling you its a clear win for remain when it comes down to the only thing that matters - the vote.

I still say about 60% remain and 40% for Brexit.

Just because Corbyn is apparently for remain is no reason to take the other side - after all George Galloway is for leave - now there's a man I'd like to be associated with.

I fear you are right, my bet is a 55/45 split.

Lets hope the British public see sense come the 23rd, it will be the only chance to get out in our lifetime.

[TimMcC]

London school of economics has chimed in:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7026796.html

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Originally Posted by TimMcC

London school of economics has chimed in:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7026796.html

I wonder if they are still including wages from EU premiership players?

One of those from earlier in year included estimate tax and wealth generate from EU imigration, however this included crazy wages for premiership players and managers, also included wages for very senior execs as well (finance etc).

So just say EU workers contribute £10 million per annum.

They may cost £5 million in same period, however actual per person will likely differ hugely.

[creepy coupe]

Just hoping if "we" end up out. The BMW options list won't be anymore expensive.

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by Brigand

I wonder if they are still including wages from EU premiership players?

One of those from earlier in year included estimate tax and wealth generate from EU imigration, however this included crazy wages for premiership players and managers, also included wages for very senior execs as well (finance etc).

So just say EU workers contribute £10 million per annum.

They may cost £5 million in same period, however actual per person will likely differ hugely.

It would be wrong to only include those with low wages. An EU immigrant is just that, what they earn is irrelevant!

The point is on average they contribute.