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      08-29-2014, 12:52 AM   #23
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The ugliest thing about the new c class is the LCD screen. From outside the car, the monitor looks like a $20 LCD unit off eBay with those vents behind the screen.
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      08-29-2014, 01:36 AM   #24
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whatever happened to the integrated lcd screens, ala the current 5 series

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It was actually the 330d that they compared in this video. The 3 liter diesel engine in that car is in between the 328d and the 335d when it comes to power, performance and fuel economy. Don't ask me what the difference is between the 335d though.
The 330d is a 3-liter engine that has 245hp and one turbine; the 335d is a 3-liter engine that has 306hp and two turbines.
The 328d is Europe's 320d, a 2 liter engine with 183hp.

(Europe-style hp ratings, the US figures are slightly lower because of measurement methods).
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Rear lamp on the mercedes is hideous.
I agree and I would say IMO Mercedes went from having one of the best looking sedans ever (last C class) to one of the worst (current C class) even if it were 10x the car than a Bimmer I couldn't see me ever buying one.
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The W205 is very, very high on my next car list....

Blasphemy I know...But outside of M235i or M3, their aint much under a 6 series that BMW offers that interests me much anymore..
BMW currently offers it's most different models and trim variations in the companies history. If they do not offer it anymore, what was it you used to buy?!
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The W205 is very, very high on my next car list....

Blasphemy I know...But outside of M235i or M3, their aint much under a 6 series that BMW offers that interests me much anymore..
Amen!
for me F30 just feels cheap inside. touch the door panels, back of the seat, shiny plastic all over. not a fan. does not feel like a solid car. only thing i like about it is 8AT.
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      08-29-2014, 10:02 AM   #29
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for me F30 just feels cheap inside. touch the door panels, back of the seat, shiny plastic all over. not a fan. does not feel like a solid car. only thing i like about it is 8AT.
Too each their own...I don't necessarily consider the interior of the F30 "cheap" but if you're comparing it to the C-Class, it feels like BMW isn't really designing to keep up with the times. It doesn't feel or look outdated but it's the use of materials. The C-Class is using a lot of soft materials and add the contrast stitching, it makes the interior that much special. Now you dislike the fact that BMW uses shiny plastics, personally, that's what they should use if you're going to use plastic. If BMW used flat plastic, well you get an interior that would look like the Audi's interior...
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BMW currently offers it's most different models and trim variations in the companies history. If they do not offer it anymore, what was it you used to buy?!
Lots more models within line - but the differentiation has become razor thin too. You can see what I've owned in the sig line...Am bored with 3 and 4 series cars and the F'10 is a pig.

I was hoping the 4 gran coupe was going to have enough sexy and fun to keep me in the franchise. But after driving one I was disappointed with the experience.

Smooth, accelerates fast, but not toss-able, in a carve a corner way and it doesn't compare well to W205 interior wise..

We'll see, I ain't dissing BMW...It's been a good partner all these years. I just need me some new fun in between the sheets so to speak and BMW designs and what they emphasize in their latest cars leaves me somewhat lacking.
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The 330d is a 3-liter engine that has 245hp and one turbine; the 335d is a 3-liter engine that has 306hp and two turbines.
The 328d is Europe's 320d, a 2 liter engine with 183hp.

(Europe-style hp ratings, the US figures are slightly lower because of measurement methods).
The new 30d engine got 258hp - 245hp were previous version. The new 35d/40d got 313hp
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I am not wild about Audi. They are complex mechanically and expensive to repair out of warranty.
A local automotive chain has a location near where I work so I get most of my servicing done by them. I was talking to the manager, who has worked at several dealerships, and he said he would not recommend buying a used Audi, because once they are out of warranty, the repair costs add up.
Had a TT back in the day and it cost me a fortune in repairs. Major stuff too, didn't even bother with stuff like broken seat heaters.

Used Audi = never again!!
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      08-29-2014, 10:44 PM   #33
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Rear lamp on the mercedes is hideous.
hideous is an understatement
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      08-30-2014, 01:11 AM   #34
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That Mercedes is ugly inside out...
I mean ... Ugly.
Never liked their air vents, and that $10 made in China screen is just terrible. Don't care about shiny buttons on the door neither, too much contrast and looks kitschy.

BMW decided to stick with a more sporty conservative style, and they succeed in keeping the sporty image.
While I do appreciate the courage to try new designs, there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, a car manufacturer should know when to stop and make sure that a specific car has the ability to define; Mercedes is not one of them lately...

In the meantime, BMW should ditch that line on the hood and make this car look respectable...

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      08-30-2014, 01:44 AM   #35
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Waiting for the RWD C300; Q1 2015 can't come fast enough...
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I saw the new C class in person yesterday...its ugly imo

There is no doubt the interior materials feel a step up from the current 3 series though. BMW could step it up a bit on the interior materials.
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screen in the c-class looks like some cheap $50 chinese android tablet
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      08-30-2014, 09:44 AM   #38
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That Mercedes is ugly inside out...
I mean ... Ugly.
Never liked their air vents, and that $10 made in China screen is just terrible. Don't care about shiny buttons on the door neither, too much contrast and looks kitschy.
This.

The interior just seems like they tried too hard and gilded the lilly.
I dont need the shiny buttons, seems a little too much.
The shape of the vents and the cockpit in general seems...I dont know, disturbed? Its like the flow isnt smooth enough and Im sitting inside a low end flight simulator game.

Could the BMW interior be better? sure.
But while it could use a bit of a refresh, it at least has a more classic and timeless style to it with a good blend of modern accoutrements.
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Look more closely and you'll find the screen in the Benz to be squared instead of tilted towards the driver. After a few hours it got really annoying. There's also that horrible non intuitive comand system.

The fake leather wrapped dash and door cards do look more expensive, gives it a leather look. BMW could have offered that for the luxury line with optional real leather like Individual already does.
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hideous is an understatement
oh my bad should have tried harder
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      08-30-2014, 06:02 PM   #41
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hideous is an understatement
oh my bad should have tried harder
And when you thought they couldn't make uglier lights than the CLA, bam!!!!
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      08-31-2014, 08:55 AM   #42
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BMW currently offers it's most different models and trim variations in the companies history. If they do not offer it anymore, what was it you used to buy?!
Lots more models within line - but the differentiation has become razor thin too. You can see what I've owned in the sig line...Am bored with 3 and 4 series cars and the F'10 is a pig.

I was hoping the 4 gran coupe was going to have enough sexy and fun to keep me in the franchise. But after driving one I was disappointed with the experience.

Smooth, accelerates fast, but not toss-able, in a carve a corner way and it doesn't compare well to W205 interior wise..

We'll see, I ain't dissing BMW...It's been a good partner all these years. I just need me some new fun in between the sheets so to speak and BMW designs and what they emphasize in their latest cars leaves me somewhat lacking.
Interesting, and thank you for taking a mature approach in responding as I meant no disrespect, but I was legitimately curious as to what you were looking for, just writing things can sometimes come across in a unintended tone. In addition, it's also funny you say that about the W205 interior, as I felt the exact opposite. Now I did like the E class interior. And with that, then I can see how it may feel like BMW is a bit lacking. Though that is partially subjective, with the exception of just the materials used in the C class, which to me was subpar. But I should also say that I can see where BMW saved some expense in the interior of the 3/4 series as well. My recommendation, find a model that is relatively in line with what your looking for, and try to give it a test with adaptive/adjustable suspension, steering, etc... As one of my favorite updates in my new M, is the variability of it and how the characteristics can easily completely change the driving dynamics of the car.
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Interesting, and thank you for taking a mature approach in responding as I meant no disrespect, but I was legitimately curious as to what you were looking for, just writing things can sometimes come across in a unintended tone. In addition, it's also funny you say that about the W205 interior, as I felt the exact opposite. Now I did like the E class interior. And with that, then I can see how it may feel like BMW is a bit lacking. Though that is partially subjective, with the exception of just the materials used in the C class, which to me was subpar. But I should also say that I can see where BMW saved some expense in the interior of the 3/4 series as well. My recommendation, find a model that is relatively in line with what your looking for, and try to give it a test with adaptive/adjustable suspension, steering, etc... As one of my favorite updates in my new M, is the variability of it and how the characteristics can easily completely change the driving dynamics of the car.
Yes, I really loved the driving dynamic changes in my E92 with DCT...

With a kid in college right now an M3/M4 not in the budget...I drove the new Merc yesterday and it was damn nice..Typical MB; vault solid, luxurious, top notch fit and finish and the steering in the w205 is much better than F30 imo

Higher end lux, very good braking. Its not quite the driver the BMW is, but its close and its a very good package in its own right..

When the G9 transmission is added in a few months it will be on par with Audi/BMW on most fronts imo.

I have less than a year to make my decision - but it will be fun deciding across the choices...This is a great generation of cars to choose from - all the way down to the Countryman S All4 which is a hoot to drive too!!
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So I've heard! And I agree, it truly is a terrific time to be an automotive enthusiast! And although I will admit, I've been relatively brand loyal, it was primarily due to poor service experiences at Audi, and I have heard only great things about Merc's, though my only personal experience has been in my father I laws S400 Hybrid, and E350 coupe. Though both in Taiwan and absolute terrific inside and out! Though, for my particular age, and desires, this new M3 has surpassed all my expectations and then some. But with all the auto manufactures seemingly rolling out a new model on a yearly basis, I'd say the odds of finding something to your liking, BMW or otherwise, should become increasingly easier.
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