F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > BMW 430i Sport Line has much better handling
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-23-2017, 08:05 PM   #67
CalCarNut
Colonel
CalCarNut's Avatar
United_States
626
Rep
2,930
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Blue Skies

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by sr5959 View Post
My 2015 4GC has much better handling than my pre-LCI 3. It also has 5 bolt mountings for the front shocks as opposed to 3-bolt on my 3. Even if all components were similar a wider, lower car with better weight distribution is bound to handle better.
4 series FTW
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|-HD Tuning Stage 1 (formerly known as GSR Stage 1|
Appreciate 0
      08-23-2017, 08:51 PM   #68
ska///235i
***** noob
ska///235i's Avatar
United_States
785
Rep
10,360
Posts

Drives: 325xi>M235i>428GCx Mspor
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Boston

iTrader: (34)

Garage List
2006 325xi  [0.00]
My 4GC have splash shields under the control arms, not that it improves handling but it keeps alot of winter salt away
__________________
2006 325xi (Sold)
2014 M235I (Current)
2015 428xi Gran Coupe (STB)
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2017, 01:08 PM   #69
upsidedownfunnel
Private First Class
United_States
56
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ska///235i View Post
My 4GC have splash shields under the control arms, not that it improves handling but it keeps alot of winter salt away
3 Series has those too on the rear lower control arms. Is that where they are on the 4?
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 12:23 AM   #70
upsidedownfunnel
Private First Class
United_States
56
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (0)

I received an LCI 330i today and it honestly is not a big difference between the 2014 335i sport line in terms of suspension. There's still a ton of body roll, although the dampers feel less harsh. The lack of harshness may be due to the car being newer, but I don't think so.

The 430i GC was definitely a huge difference. The LCI barely makes any difference. I haven't spent too much time with it yet, but from what i can tell body roll is still just as bad. It's definitely a very small step.
Appreciate 1
      08-26-2017, 10:15 AM   #71
LMK5
First Lieutenant
61
Rep
326
Posts

Drives: 2017 330i Imperial Bloo
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel View Post
I received an LCI 330i today and it honestly is not a big difference between the 2014 335i sport line in terms of suspension. There's still a ton of body roll, although the dampers feel less harsh. The lack of harshness may be due to the car being newer, but I don't think so.

The 430i GC was definitely a huge difference. The LCI barely makes any difference. I haven't spent too much time with it yet, but from what i can tell body roll is still just as bad. It's definitely a very small step.
I had a 2014 base 328i and am now in a MY2017 330i sportline loaner. The 330i, even with 18" staggered summer tires, feels better in every way. The suspension is more composed, absorbs bumps better, has less travel over undulations, and corners better. Directional stability is also better. Yes, it could corner flatter, and the tires could have more grip, but it's just a better car than the MY2014. The 330i feels very similar to the pre-LCI 704 suspension. The 330i msport I drove did corner flatter, but I felt the ride was too jittery and prefer the ride/handling balance of the sportline suspension.

I'm a little torn between the B46 engine and the N26. The lag when accelerating from a slow roll is quite noticeable in the B46. Never noticed this in the N26. I also preferred the sound of the N26.

When I test drove a 428i I could tell immediately that it was a better handling car than the F30. But the wider exterior combined with the tighter interior, lower visibility, frameless windows, and higher price made it a nogo for me.

Last edited by LMK5; 08-26-2017 at 10:31 AM.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 11:05 AM   #72
AudiA4
Major
AudiA4's Avatar
340
Rep
1,387
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Little Rock, AR, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMK5 View Post
I had a 2014 base 328i and am now in a MY2017 330i sportline loaner. The 330i, even with 18" staggered summer tires, feels better in every way. The suspension is more composed, absorbs bumps better, has less travel over undulations, and corners better. Directional stability is also better. Yes, it could corner flatter, and the tires could have more grip, but it's just a better car than the MY2014. The 330i feels very similar to the pre-LCI 704 suspension. The 330i msport I drove did corner flatter, but I felt the ride was too jittery and prefer the ride/handling balance of the sportline suspension.

I'm a little torn between the B46 engine and the N26. The lag when accelerating from a slow roll is quite noticeable in the B46. Never noticed this in the N26. I also preferred the sound of the N26.

When I test drove a 428i I could tell immediately that it was a better handling car than the F30. But the wider exterior combined with the tighter interior, lower visibility, frameless windows, and higher price made it a nogo for me.
There is ZERO difference between the "Sport" and "M-Sport" static suspension; they are the same (unless the later had the adaptive setup).
__________________
2014 F30 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport, Premium, Tech, DHP, HK, CW, M Brakes, M Exhaust

2006 E90 330i (Silver) 6MT, Sport
Appreciate 1
      08-26-2017, 11:24 AM   #73
LMK5
First Lieutenant
61
Rep
326
Posts

Drives: 2017 330i Imperial Bloo
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AudiA4 View Post
There is ZERO difference between the "Sport" and "M-Sport" static suspension; they are the same (unless the later had the adaptive setup).
Allow me to clarify. For MY2017, "sportline" is standard, but they don't call the suspension "sport." So I can say it this way: The MY2017 base suspension feels about the same as the pre-LCI sport (704) suspension.
Appreciate 1
      08-26-2017, 04:38 PM   #74
englishguy84
Private First Class
23
Rep
190
Posts

Drives: 230i M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SF

iTrader: (0)

Is the M sport suspension on the 4 as jiggly as on the 3?
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 04:43 PM   #75
upsidedownfunnel
Private First Class
United_States
56
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by englishguy84 View Post
Is the M sport suspension on the 4 as jiggly as on the 3?
Quote:
Originally Posted by englishguy84 View Post
Is the M sport suspension on the 4 as jiggly as on the 3?
No, the 4 is much more composed.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 05:02 PM   #76
ska///235i
***** noob
ska///235i's Avatar
United_States
785
Rep
10,360
Posts

Drives: 325xi>M235i>428GCx Mspor
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Boston

iTrader: (34)

Garage List
2006 325xi  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AudiA4 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by LMK5 View Post
I had a 2014 base 328i and am now in a MY2017 330i sportline loaner. The 330i, even with 18" staggered summer tires, feels better in every way. The suspension is more composed, absorbs bumps better, has less travel over undulations, and corners better. Directional stability is also better. Yes, it could corner flatter, and the tires could have more grip, but it's just a better car than the MY2014. The 330i feels very similar to the pre-LCI 704 suspension. The 330i msport I drove did corner flatter, but I felt the ride was too jittery and prefer the ride/handling balance of the sportline suspension.

I'm a little torn between the B46 engine and the N26. The lag when accelerating from a slow roll is quite noticeable in the B46. Never noticed this in the N26. I also preferred the sound of the N26.

When I test drove a 428i I could tell immediately that it was a better handling car than the F30. But the wider exterior combined with the tighter interior, lower visibility, frameless windows, and higher price made it a nogo for me.
There is ZERO difference between the "Sport" and "M-Sport" static suspension; they are the same (unless the later had the adaptive setup).
False, the msport has a shorter spring
__________________
2006 325xi (Sold)
2014 M235I (Current)
2015 428xi Gran Coupe (STB)
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 10:42 PM   #77
AudiA4
Major
AudiA4's Avatar
340
Rep
1,387
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Little Rock, AR, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ska///235i View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by AudiA4 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by LMK5 View Post
I had a 2014 base 328i and am now in a MY2017 330i sportline loaner. The 330i, even with 18" staggered summer tires, feels better in every way. The suspension is more composed, absorbs bumps better, has less travel over undulations, and corners better. Directional stability is also better. Yes, it could corner flatter, and the tires could have more grip, but it's just a better car than the MY2014. The 330i feels very similar to the pre-LCI 704 suspension. The 330i msport I drove did corner flatter, but I felt the ride was too jittery and prefer the ride/handling balance of the sportline suspension.

I'm a little torn between the B46 engine and the N26. The lag when accelerating from a slow roll is quite noticeable in the B46. Never noticed this in the N26. I also preferred the sound of the N26.

When I test drove a 428i I could tell immediately that it was a better handling car than the F30. But the wider exterior combined with the tighter interior, lower visibility, frameless windows, and higher price made it a nogo for me.
There is ZERO difference between the "Sport" and "M-Sport" static suspension; they are the same (unless the later had the adaptive setup).
False, the msport has a shorter spring
Sport and M-Sport have the same ride height. Why do you think it would have shorter springs?
__________________
2014 F30 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport, Premium, Tech, DHP, HK, CW, M Brakes, M Exhaust

2006 E90 330i (Silver) 6MT, Sport
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2017, 11:37 PM   #78
upsidedownfunnel
Private First Class
United_States
56
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (0)

I think some of the confusion here is the difference between the Sport/Sport Line pre and post LCI. Pre-LCI, the Sport Line and M Sport have the same optional 704 suspension. Post-LCI, the sport package is standard but does not come with the 704 sport suspension and instead just has the normal suspension.
Appreciate 2
      08-27-2017, 01:12 AM   #79
AudiA4
Major
AudiA4's Avatar
340
Rep
1,387
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Little Rock, AR, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel View Post
I think some of the confusion here is the difference between the Sport/Sport Line pre and post LCI. Pre-LCI, the Sport Line and M Sport have the same optional 704 suspension. Post-LCI, the sport package is standard but does not come with the 704 sport suspension and instead just has the normal suspension.
Ah, gotcha.
__________________
2014 F30 335i (EB) 6MT, M Sport, Premium, Tech, DHP, HK, CW, M Brakes, M Exhaust

2006 E90 330i (Silver) 6MT, Sport
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2017, 01:49 AM   #80
englishguy84
Private First Class
23
Rep
190
Posts

Drives: 230i M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SF

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel View Post
No, the 4 is much more composed.
Thanks.

Has anyone compared an LCI 4 to a pre-LCI? They claim they stiffened the suspension and improved the steering response. Is it noticeable, and if so, does it come at the expense of ride quality?
Appreciate 0
      08-29-2017, 04:38 PM   #81
Strudle
Private First Class
21
Rep
105
Posts

Drives: 2016 MG X1, 2017 MW 430
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Upstate NY

iTrader: (0)

I haven't driven a 428i, but I have the 430i and, while it's stiff, I wouldn't say it rides harsh at all over bumps. My X1 actually takes bumps harder than the 4. The 4 has no body roll whatsoever, and it super fun in the twisties (base suspension).

By comparison my 330i loaner car felt very wiggly, and loose.
Appreciate 0
      08-30-2017, 11:22 AM   #82
beemer3
Lieutenant
10
Rep
509
Posts

Drives: 2009 E90 328i
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMK5 View Post
I'm a little torn between the B46 engine and the N26. The lag when accelerating from a slow roll is quite noticeable in the B46. Never noticed this in the N26. I also preferred the sound of the N26.

When I test drove a 428i I could tell immediately that it was a better handling car than the F30. But the wider exterior combined with the tighter interior, lower visibility, frameless windows, and higher price made it a nogo for me.
I know the N26 has Active Sound Design (ASD), did they take that away in the B46?

When you say 428i, did you test drive the Coupe or Gran Coupe?
Appreciate 0
      08-30-2017, 12:08 PM   #83
LMK5
First Lieutenant
61
Rep
326
Posts

Drives: 2017 330i Imperial Bloo
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by beemer3 View Post
I know the N26 has Active Sound Design (ASD), did they take that away in the B46?

When you say 428i, did you test drive the Coupe or Gran Coupe?
Not sure about ASD but I believe it's in both the N26 and B46 cars because there's a coding function for it.

I test drove only the pre-LCI Grand Coupe'.
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2017, 10:18 AM   #84
sevalley
New Member
1
Rep
27
Posts

Drives: 430i Grand Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Los Angeles. Granada Hills

iTrader: (0)

Did OP mention if either of these cars had Msport?
I had a 2015 428i sportline and just traded it in for a 2018 430i GC. My GC is the base model, no sportline, no msport. Night and day difference. The 2015 sportline was stiff and had great suspension. My 2018 feels like its floating on a cloud, soft as a baby's bottom. I don't want to spend too much since it is a lease, so I'm going to install H&R Lowering springs in the hopes it will tighten things up a bit. I know I should get coilovers but they cost 4 times as much as springs. Upgraded sway bars would probably also help, but again, too expensive a mod for a lease for me. I'll probably throw in a dinan sport chip as well to make up for the loss of fun factor in the suspension with some extra zip.
__________________
Traded in my 2015 428i Coupe for a 2018 Grand Coupe: Black on Black with red trim.
Options: Heated Seats | 20% Tints
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2017, 10:58 AM   #85
metallicpea
Captain
metallicpea's Avatar
337
Rep
995
Posts

Drives: 320i ZSP & E46 M3 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Chicagoland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmer_335 View Post
I'd never buy a BMW without a sport suspension... regardless of which car in the line up you look at, without sport suspension they ride like grandma's car.
I agree completely.

It wasn't always this way. Base models without x-drive were above average on the last two generations. The F30 got much more grandma in the base rwd suspension.
__________________
2002 325i sport - sold
2009 135i M sport - sold
2009 550i M sport - sold
2005 M3 6MT Jet Black w/Cinnamon
2016 F30 320i ZSP

Last edited by metallicpea; 10-06-2017 at 12:45 PM.
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2017, 02:29 PM   #86
LMK5
First Lieutenant
61
Rep
326
Posts

Drives: 2017 330i Imperial Bloo
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by metallicpea View Post
I agree completely.

It wasn't always this way. Base models without x-drive were above average on the last two generations. The F30 got much more grandma in the base rwd suspension.
I took a 2017 F30 Msport on a multi-day test drive, and while it was stiff and cornered OK, I thought there was an excessive amount of nervousness in the ride, with lots of quick bobs and weaves. I found the 2017 base suspension to be a better ride/handling compromise, especially with the 18" summer tires.

Before the LCI, I would agree that the base suspension was pretty awful, but I would say that the pre-LCI 704 suspension had excellent ride/handling balance, and also was much more comfortable than the pre-LCI base. I think that one was the best of the bunch.

I also suspect that BMW has to make some unfortunate compromises with their suspension designs to compensate for the harshness of the RFTs.
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2017, 02:59 PM   #87
BEAR-AvHistory
2018 440M-Sport MPPSK/THP
BEAR-AvHistory's Avatar
195
Rep
2,906
Posts

Drives: 2018 440M-Sport MPPSK/THP
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (0)

Exactly the same suspension options on both. My 2018 440 will out handle my 2014 435. Some place along the line the suspensions have been upgraded.
__________________
Kevin

2018 440M-Sport MPPSK/THP - 2017 CX-5 - 2016 Genesis R-Spec Coupe - 2013 135is Cab 6MT/JB4 - 2009 V-Star - 2009 Expedition 4X4 - 1998 Ranger 4X4 - 1965 Cobra MK-IV Dyno Tuned 477WHP - First Start. 477 WHP of BURBBLES
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2017, 03:50 PM   #88
metallicpea
Captain
metallicpea's Avatar
337
Rep
995
Posts

Drives: 320i ZSP & E46 M3 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Chicagoland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMK5 View Post
I took a 2017 F30 Msport on a multi-day test drive, and while it was stiff and cornered OK, I thought there was an excessive amount of nervousness in the ride, with lots of quick bobs and weaves. I found the 2017 base suspension to be a better ride/handling compromise, especially with the 18" summer tires.

Before the LCI, I would agree that the base suspension was pretty awful, but I would say that the pre-LCI 704 suspension had excellent ride/handling balance, and also was much more comfortable than the pre-LCI base. I think that one was the best of the bunch.

I also suspect that BMW has to make some unfortunate compromises with their suspension designs to compensate for the harshness of the RFTs.
I did not like the 2016 LCI base rwd suspension at all. Way too "comfortable". I didn't try the pre LCI, so my comment about grandma was to this suspension directly. It was not at all what I was looking for in a BMW, but it was my first F30 test drive (before many more sport specs), so it might be the suspension combined with my shock of the steering changes since the E90 and E46 that really made me dislike it so much.
__________________
2002 325i sport - sold
2009 135i M sport - sold
2009 550i M sport - sold
2005 M3 6MT Jet Black w/Cinnamon
2016 F30 320i ZSP
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:01 PM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST