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      09-18-2017, 08:20 PM   #45
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Meh, I saw it as a racing incident with really nobody to blame. Kimi made a dynamite start, Vettel most likely didn't see it, and Max got squeezed. All of this is happening in literally thousandths of a second and we expect these guys to be perfect. Oh, and the cars are freaking super wide this year in case anybody is forgetting. ;P

Really killed the race for me though. Took out three of my favorite drivers right off the bat, and then for some reason Riccardo couldn't challenge Hamilton at all so it turned into an incredibly boring race. Oh well.
Don't forget F1 drivers know how wide their car is .
But it looks like VET and RAI don't know it...
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Don't forget F1 drivers know how wide their car is .
But it looks like VET and RAI don't know it...
and Verstappen also
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Vettel such a looser , he supposed to go directly into Hamilton
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and Verstappen also
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Mostly we "blamed" vettel cause he started the whole event, its not uncommon for some cars in behind had a lightening start and alongside another driver.
And you're right, its also not uncommon for pole sitter to squeeze and protect his position at the start, especially after a slippery start.

But when all of these combined together, its an ingredient of disaster.

When you said Raikkonen came back from the track, his suspension was severely damaged and he was just a passenger even before the car reached Turn 1. He was just skidding on the skid blocks.
I blame Ferrari 100%. As soon as the excitement of Vettel's pole position wore off, I realized he was surely going to be dealing with a wild and relentless Verstappen at the start. The rain only underlined that.

Vettel's an idiot, Ferrari are idiots, and Raikonnen predictably didn't give a shit about anybody. Here's what should've been agreed upon, prior to the start:
1) RAI - Stay the hell away from VET, or anyone near him. I really don't understand why Ferrari got rid of Alonso and kept RAI, but given the situation, demand that RAI be a team player. How could Ferrari let RAI carelessly launch himself into the WC battle like that?
2) VET - VER is guaranteed to torpedo into you; don't clash with him. VER will go into turn 1 too hot, and blow any advantage he has. Let him. For god's sake, don't squeeze him and jeopardize your entire race at turn 1.

How Vettel and Ferrari couldn't have predicted this is mind-boggling. I may very well be done with this season.
No disrespect but this cracked me up.
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That's my guess. The trio of Varsha, Hobbs, & Matchett is what I'll always be used to; I much prefer Will Buxton over Peter Windsor, as well. IMO, Liberty Media should do what it can to have the broadcaster lineup be Varsha, Hobbs, & Matchett with Buxton as the man on the ground.

And PLEASE dump NBC!!!

You wanna talk mistakes...take a shot of whiskey every time Hobbs gets the driver's name wrong; I think Varsha had less mistakes than he did.
I like Hobbs, but I think its time for him to retire. His comments are less and less relevant to the F1 in current era.

It's time to get someone in F1 from the 90's and 2000's. Like Sky and BBC do.

Or just tap into SkyF1 like Canada's TSN does. Save themselves a ton of trouble.
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I blame Ferrari 100%. As soon as the excitement of Vettel's pole position wore off, I realized he was surely going to be dealing with a wild and relentless Verstappen at the start. The rain only underlined that.

Vettel's an idiot, Ferrari are idiots, and Raikonnen predictably didn't give a shit about anybody. Here's what should've been agreed upon, prior to the start:
1) RAI - Stay the hell away from VET, or anyone near him. I really don't understand why Ferrari got rid of Alonso and kept RAI, but given the situation, demand that RAI be a team player. How could Ferrari let RAI carelessly launch himself into the WC battle like that?
2) VET - VER is guaranteed to torpedo into you; don't clash with him. VER will go into turn 1 too hot, and blow any advantage he has. Let him. For god's sake, don't squeeze him and jeopardize your entire race at turn 1.

How Vettel and Ferrari couldn't have predicted this is mind-boggling. I may very well be done with this season.
Hahaha....I think they sorta aware of the threat from Max, perhaps too much. Thus Vettel focus on Max after his "poor" start without knowing Kimi had a lightening start.

Its not Ferrari let Kimi launch himself into such battle, Vettel and Verstappan did. Two bad start with a great start caused all this.

In hindsight, Vet could've play smart. Let Rai launch up next to Max, crash at turn 1. he just stay out of the way....hahahaha...
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oh , i forgot , Verstt is Saint , almost Cheesus Christ for belgihollanders
Please....Never forget it !
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Max clearly drove into kimi, it's unfortunate that Seb didn't take Lewis out
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Max clearly drove into kimi, it's unfortunate that Seb didn't take Lewis out
Is this a joke my friend ?
Ferrari's came from left and right . MAX was sandwiched in between !
They were Red-Bull magnets ...
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It's no joke phil, you can clearly see the dutchy move across into kimi but things like this happen when a boy is sent out to do a mans job
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Two bad start with a great start caused all this.

In hindsight, Vet could've play smart. Let Rai launch up next to Max, crash at turn 1. he just stay out of the way....hahahaha...
That's pretty close to the question I posed on another forum, namely: If Kimi had *not* had such an incredibly good launch, would Vettel and Max have still taken one another out?
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That's pretty close to the question I posed on another forum, namely: If Kimi had *not* had such an incredibly good launch, would Vettel and Max have still taken one another out?
No, I think Max would have tucked behind him with LH and SV going side by side into turn 1.
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That's pretty close to the question I posed on another forum, namely: If Kimi had *not* had such an incredibly good launch, would Vettel and Max have still taken one another out?
No immediately, but max would be able to move a bit further to the left and "try" to out-brake Vettel into Turn 1. Then they'll crash....
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Good analysis by the well respected Michael Schmidt for those who understand German:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...-12628276.html

Bottomline? Racing accident, no one in particular is to blame.

Fazit: Man kann Vettel schlecht vorwerfen, dass er sich nicht so aggressiv verteidigen darf, weil weiter links noch weitere Autos sein könnten. Wenn das für jeden im Feld die Maßgabe ist, müssten alle bis zur ersten Kurve ihre Spur halten. Es kann immer einer noch weiter links oder noch weiter rechts sein.
Außerdem ist Vettel nicht der einzige, der seine Position so abblockt. Schauen Sie sich mal die Starts von Lewis Hamilton in diesem Jahr in Melbourne, Baku, Silverstone, Spa und Monza an. Oder der von Michael Schumacher 2001 am Nürburgring. Fällt Ihnen etwas auf? Auch Hamilton und Schumacher fahren ihren potenziellen Gegnern brutal vor die Nase. Das ist als Trainingsschnellster auch ihr gutes Recht. Dafür haben sie das Training auch gewonnen.
Verstappen ist im Sandwich der beiden Ferrari ein armer Hund. Er hat fast alles getan, den Unfall zu vermeiden. Bei Vettel hat es geklappt, bei Räikkönen nicht. Weil die Lücke zu Kimi viel kleiner war. Und weil Räikkönen im letzten Augenblick Richtung Mitte drängt. Hier könnte man sagen: Ohne Not. Doch der Finne dachte wahrscheinlich, er hätte Verstappen schon hinter sich. Bei diesen verdammt langen Formel 1-Kisten kann man sich schon mal verschätzen.
Räikkönen hatte in diesem Augenblick nur eines im Sinn. In der ersten Kurve bin ich in Führung. Da nimmt kein Rennfahrer Rücksicht auf Interessen anderer. Und schon gleich gar nicht bei einem Spurt, der nur 301 Meter lang dauert. In der kurzen Zeit wird jede Form von Berechnung ausgeschaltet. Da dominiert der Instinkt.
Nach Abwägung aller Fakten muss ich mich zwei Tage nach dem GP Singapur korrigieren. Vettel, Verstappen und Räikkönen hätten sicher etwas anders machen können, hätte man ihnen die Unfallvideos vor dem Start vorgespielt und wären danach alle drei noch einmal in die gleichen Situation geraten. Aber diese Chance gibt es nicht. Ich würde heute keinem mehr die Schuld für die Kollision in Singapur geben. Vettel, Verstappen und Räikkönen waren in Sekunde 5 des Rennens zur falschen Zeit am falschen Ort. Die Sportkommissare haben richtig geurteilt.
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