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Brexit then and still Brexit 31 32.63%
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      10-05-2017, 04:39 PM   #23
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For the first time, I felt (a bit) sorry for Theresa May yesterday. I think she?s supremely unqualified for the job of PM, but what happened to her yesterday wasn?t material to that discussion. Wobbly fixtures and fittings, having a cold and being pranked are just bad luck. Agree the speech was pants though.
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For the first time, I felt (a bit) sorry for Theresa May yesterday. I think she?s supremely unqualified for the job of PM, but what happened to her yesterday wasn?t material to that discussion. Wobbly fixtures and fittings, having a cold and being pranked are just bad luck. Agree the speech was pants though.
I think it was definitely material. If she wasn't a poor/unpopular Prime Minister she wouldn't be being pranked in the first place and she'd be able to compose herself better.....plus she wouldn't have so many critics in her party and in the media so eager to attack.

The unfortunate set of circumstances and the reactions that she had and the ones everyone else had were material to me.
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Yep, poor and unpopular, and therefore has a big target on her forehead. But I can?t see how her being shit PM caused her to catch a cold ?

There?s just something distasteful about all the Tory vultures waiting for an excuse to turf her out. By all means do it, but do it because she?s a pointless robot, not because she lost her voice.
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I voted remain, and still think we should remain. Despite the bad points of the EU, which I think there are many I believe we will be better off inside the block.

I can see us loosing influence, businesses and wealth in the coming years
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I voted remain, and still think we should remain. Despite the bad points of the EU, which I think there are many I believe we will be better off inside the block.

I can see us loosing influence, businesses and wealth in the coming years
Too late now.

By 29.03.2019 we will have left the EU
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I voted remain, and still think we should remain. Despite the bad points of the EU, which I think there are many I believe we will be better off inside the block.

I can see us loosing influence, businesses and wealth in the coming years
i think opposite. EU worked when it was formed many years ago because that was our trading routes. if you wanted something you wasnt going to go on a pilgrimage to china to get it... today it makes no sense. if i want something from USA China etc i can get it tomorrow. why would i want to be restricted to the EU when the world is so much bigger!!
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I voted remain, and still think we should remain. Despite the bad points of the EU, which I think there are many I believe we will be better off inside the block.

I can see us loosing influence, businesses and wealth in the coming years
Too late now.

By 29.03.2019 we will have left the EU
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i think opposite. EU worked when it was formed many years ago because that was our trading routes. if you wanted something you wasnt going to go on a pilgrimage to china to get it... today it makes no sense. if i want something from USA China etc i can get it tomorrow. why would i want to be restricted to the EU when the world is so much bigger!!
It still is our "trading routes". The majority of people aren't concerned like you are about where we buy things from. Most are concerned about where we are selling our goods and services, which is more important to the UK economy. 44% goes to the EU.

Anyone who thinks free trade deals with China and the US will fill that potentially huge gap, in my opinion, is living in a state of hope that can't reflect reality. China and the US will be laughing. They'll flood us with their product with any trade deal, not buy ours.

I can understand the words and theory of being masters of our own destinies, being allowed to trade with who we want without bureaucracy and how amazing that could be. I just think that when you think through the practicalities it's just all bollocks, the countries we set up these amazing deals with will benefit more than us.

There is a good reason that the EU haven't just walked into free trade deals with the US and China, but hey we're smarter than that and can negotiate great deals quickly.
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Funny this.
Approx 6/10 before and 6/10 after, with a few swaps.

I?d be interested to ask either side;
1. how will you gauge ?a brexit success??
2. how long do you think it will take to achieve #1?
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What irritates me more about this process is we seem not to be standing our ground in the negotiations. The government has stated today its now preparing for wto rules in case if a no deal which is good in for practical and negotiating reasons.

She should follow this up with a speech to the EU stating we have tried to meet you half way, offered to pay for a transition deal, offered an early deal for eu citizens and you keep saying no. Well you know what it's our turn now and we are quite prepared to walk away so come back with a decent counter offer and start talking about a trade deal or we are off.

The EU is speaking to Labour more now so we should speak to the EU countries directly as well, if they are playing games so should we.

She should also tell the cabinet in no uncertain terms anyone under minds her they are out, anyone goes off message they are out.

Fecks sake women show some balls!!!
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This is a poll from MSN news.11/10/17
35%
No. I voted to stay in EU, I still would

53%
No. I voted to leave EU, I still would

5%
Yes. I voted to leave EU, I now want to stay

3%
Yes. I voted to stay in EU, I now want to leave

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Just seventeen months now, and we'd have left the EU.

Left their debt crisis, left their migration crisis left their banking crisis, left their unemployment crisis......

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This is a poll from MSN news.11/10/17
35%
No. I voted to stay in EU, I still would

53%
No. I voted to leave EU, I still would

5%
Yes. I voted to leave EU, I now want to stay

3%
Yes. I voted to stay in EU, I now want to leave

4%
Undecided
I'm not sure what that proves.

It proves that they didn't talk to a representative cross section, they talked to more Brexit voters that Remain voters. Those that would vote the same as last time would make no difference to the result, so they're irrelevant, even if there were more talked to from the Leave side.

The only valid bit I suppose is the net 2% change to remain over all those numbers. That would change the last result from 52:48 to 50:50.
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Same with the bimmerpost poll. It doesn't matter that more voted remain, it only matters how much the swing one way or the another. In our poll there was zero change.

Just waiting for Lobb to pop along with his usually post..........
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Same with the bimmerpost poll. It doesn't matter that more voted remain, it only matters how much the swing one way or the another. In our poll there was zero change.

Just waiting for Lobb to pop along with his usually post..........
"Usually" post?

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Same with the bimmerpost poll. It doesn't matter that more voted remain, it only matters how much the swing one way or the another. In our poll there was zero change.

Just waiting for Lobb to pop along with his usually post..........
"Usually" post?

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"Usually" post?

Sorry, "usual post". iPad keyboard deciding what I want to write again instead of just letting me decide for myself.
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Just seventeen months now, and we'd have left the EU.

Left their debt crisis, left their migration crisis left their banking crisis, left their unemployment crisis......

Yes, so much to look forward to, with the prospects of rising inflation, capital flight, job losses, sterling crashing, travel and work visas, customs queues, staff shortages in health and social care, hospitality, agriculture and education, higher interest rates, bankrupt farmers etc etc
I can’t wait
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Sorry, "usual post". iPad keyboard deciding what I want to write again instead of just letting me decide for myself.
Jesus sounds like your iPad is very undemocratic
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Yes, so much to look forward to, with the prospects of rising inflation, capital flight, job losses, sterling crashing, travel and work visas, customs queues, staff shortages in health and social care, hospitality, agriculture and education, higher interest rates, bankrupt farmers etc etc
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Yes, so much to look forward to, with the prospects of rising inflation, capital flight, job losses, sterling crashing, travel and work visas, customs queues, staff shortages in health and social care, hospitality, agriculture and education, higher interest rates, bankrupt farmers etc etc
I canít wait
Inflation will be falling soon.
If capital was going to be re-allocated, it would be happening now, not after 29.03.2019.
We have the lowest rate of unemployment for thirty years. By comparison, youth unemployment is 25% in Spain for example.
You think you'll need a visa to go on holiday to Spain? Given that 13 million Brits travel to Spain each year, that's extremely unlikely.
Why would there be customs queues?
Staff shortages in health care? Quite the opposite. Once we leave the EU, the UK will be free to look for the best applicants from all countries. Not just the EU.
Same for hospitality and education.
Interest rates would have increased Brexit, or not. The prognosis has always been for a shallow increase, with the 'new normal' being 3 - 5%.
If farmers can't run a profitable business, why would the taxpayer want to subsidize them? Once farmers are released from the beaurocrats in the EU, they stand a better chance of succeeding. They have also been given support for the life of this parliament by the government.

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