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      09-16-2009, 10:00 AM   #23
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Why 2 years? Make them available Spring 2010. They (BMW NA) have been fighting a change like this for some time and should've seen the writing on the wall before this (or at least before 2012). For years they've been pushing over-powered sport sedans on housewives and little old ladies. This is a disappointing announcement.
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      09-16-2009, 10:04 AM   #24
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I've read the new N55 will not be installed in a 3 Series.How true that is?I don't know.
You're probably right,though.There will be a 3 Series with some sort of 6 cyl.
What you read is that the N55 will not immediately replace the N54.

The reason for the 4 cylinder in 2012 is that the F30 will be on the roads then, not going to be in E9X.

Smaller diesels will also come via the X1.
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      09-16-2009, 10:12 AM   #26
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Ick, 4 cylinders...
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does anyone actually know how the n55 is better than the n54, or do we just like it more because it is one number higher? also, where have we read that the n54 won't be continued in the 3 series?
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      09-16-2009, 10:49 AM   #28
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why must we wait until 2012? BMW knows how to milk the consumers.
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why must we wait until 2012? BMW knows how to milk the consumers.
To coincide with next generation 3-series (F30) debut.
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I think the 4 bangers will be a welcome addition across the BMW line, especially modern versions that are TT. I personally agree that the inline six's are the best engines ever made. Very smooth and powerfull. I would not spring for a I4 TT though when a I6 TT is available.

I just spent a week driving a new Audi A4 I4 turbo Quattro with automatic (sux). It was a nice car but the 4 banger sure was crude and not refinned. It vibrated badly and made a lot of noise. I could have sworn it was a diesel, if I did not know better. I actually wished it was. So I sure hope BMWs I4 turbo will be better than the Audi.

I have fond memories of my 1992 Mercedes W124 I5 turbo E Class. That was a great engine, but only wish it came into the states with a manual xmission.

Now I would very much consider a X1 I4 diesel turbo with a manual transmission. For some reason that combo really turns me on.
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      09-16-2009, 11:22 AM   #31
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This is interesting, but if want to buy a 4-cyl, it's b/c I'm balancing fuel economy over performance, and I think the N47 diesel (200 HP/296TQ/30+MPG) strikes that balance very well, indeed. But I will hold judgment until I can see what this 4-cyl turbo gas engine can do. With all that torque, I think it would be the logical addition to the US lineup - especially in station wagons or SUVs like the X1/X3.

At least BMWNA has gotten over their irrational fear and loathing of the 4-cyl engine.
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      09-16-2009, 11:36 AM   #32
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Audi had the A4 1.8T and A4 2.0T in the USA for a while and it is a pretty decent car. So it won't be a big issue for BMW IMHO.
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please please please let it be the 320d, i want one NOW!!! and btw, thread should be called BMW finally bringing back a 4 cylinder 3 to the us, as they've been here before but have since gone
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does anyone actually know how the n55 is better than the n54, or do we just like it more because it is one number higher? also, where have we read that the n54 won't be continued in the 3 series?
Did you read my post above?

There N55 is the evolution of the BMW I6 turbo, the N55 features a single two-scroll turbo and valvetronic- it is more efficient, better response and provides more torque lower and has nearly identical performance numbers all with less weight.

It will replace all N54s within the next vehicle life cycle.

It will be on the 5er GT, the 5er, the X5 and the X3 for starters. It will not end the N54 in the 3er from all reports. Most instances BMW will just do a full line engine change, but that is not going to be the case here.

The F30 will have a 4 cylinder petrol, and 6 cylinder (a variant of N55), a diesel and a hybrid drive (TBD).

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Did you read my post above?

There N55 is the evolution of the BMW I6 turbo, the N55 features a single tow-scroll turbo and valvetronic- it is more efficient, better response and provides more torque lower and has nearly identical performance numbers all with less weight.

It will replace all N54s within the next vehicle life cycle.

It will be on the 5er GT, the 5er, the X5 and the X3 for starters. It will not end the N54 in the 3er from all reports. Most instances BMW will just do a full line engine change, but that is not going to be the case here.

The F30 will have a 4 cylinder petrol, and 6 cylinder (a variant of N55), a diesel and a hybrid drive (TBD).
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My old 4cyl 1.8T gas mileage destroys my N52 I6 fuel economy. 32 to 24/25.
4 cylinders require less fuel than 6. Pretty simple..

It's not comparable because your 1.8T makes less power. Here's what's really going on. BMW needs to keep HP up because their cars are heavy. A gasoline fed turbo 4 cyl making the same power as a NA I6 will not result in significant increases if any increases in MPG's. So unless BMW starts droping the HP on their cars or unless BMW brings their 4 cyl turbo diesels over this news about 4 cyl engines is not very inspiring.

BMW stopped seling I4's back with the E36 because they did not sell.
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please please please let it be the 320d, i want one NOW!!! and btw, thread should be called BMW finally bringing back a 4 cylinder 3 to the us, as they've been here before but have since gone

Don't forget the new single vane 330d. It's a little down on power compared to the 335d but is less complex and gets better MPG's.
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Did you read my post above?

There N55 is the evolution of the BMW I6 turbo, the N55 features a single two-scroll turbo and valvetronic- it is more efficient, better response and provides more torque lower and has nearly identical performance numbers all with less weight.

It will replace all N54s within the next vehicle life cycle.

It will be on the 5er GT, the 5er, the X5 and the X3 for starters. It will not end the N54 in the 3er from all reports. Most instances BMW will just do a full line engine change, but that is not going to be the case here.

The F30 will have a 4 cylinder petrol, and 6 cylinder (a variant of N55), a diesel and a hybrid drive (TBD).
I'm just skeptical. Same power output, one less turbo (even if it is a newer cool twin scroll one). Haven't seen first hand reviews on it yet, or dynos on it yet. We don't know if BMW is using an n55 for cost or reliability reasons- or emissions and economy reasons either.
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I really wish we'd get a low, mid, and high spec diesel in the 3-series rather than just the 335d high spec.

I rented a 118d hatchback in Europe with an automatic and it was an outstanding machine for every day... good torque and excellent fuel economy with good refinement. It was BMW in every sense. I don't understand these people who don't want the smaller capacity BMW's here because they think it somehow besmirches the brand. The small BMWs drive just like the bigger ones, just with less grunt. It doesn't sully the brand it broadens the customer base.
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I really wish we'd get a low, mid, and high spec diesel in the 3-series rather than just the 335d high spec.

I rented a 118d hatchback in Europe with an automatic and it was an outstanding machine for every day... good torque and excellent fuel economy with good refinement. It was BMW in every sense. I don't understand these people who don't want the smaller capacity BMW's here because they think it somehow besmirches the brand. The small BMWs drive just like the bigger ones, just with less grunt. It doesn't sully the brand it broadens the customer base.
The reason for the 335d was to bring the best diesel to North America for power and refinement. There is a negative stigma with diesels here- people think they are weak, dirty, noisy and smelly. BMW opted to bring something that all future diesels will be compared to. Like when you meet your in-laws for the first time etc. you want you best foot forward as you never get a first impression back. They can always bring efficiency and add it to the newer view of Advanced Diesels.

The plan is working (more articles reviews have been written on the 335d than most vehicles out there) and in the future we will see newer diesels- but they will need to be shared in multiple vehicles (read: MINI Countryman, X1, 1 Series)

Give it another year.

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I'm just skeptical. Same power output, one less turbo (even if it is a newer cool twin scroll one). Haven't seen first hand reviews on it yet, or dynos on it yet. We don't know if BMW is using an n55 for cost or reliability reasons- or emissions and economy reasons either.
It does produce the same power, it is cleaner and it gets better MPG- All facts and this is not something they just cooked up.... this has been in the works for sometime.
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They already have it, the 320d. But it is not coming to North America.

57.4 mpg.

The important thing is that BMW of North America is protecting the brand by keeping that European crap out of the American showrooms.
I meant in the US. Although a new 4 banger diesel (325d. Not the current 6 cyl 325d), would do wonders
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The reason for the 335d was to bring the best diesel to North America for power and refinement. There is a negative stigma with diesels here- people think they are weak, dirty, noisy and smelly. BMW opted to bring something that all future diesels will be compared to. Like when you meet your in-laws for the first time etc. you want you best foot forward as you never get a first impression back. They can always bring efficiency and add it to the newer view of Advanced Diesels.

The plan is working (more articles reviews have been written on the 335d than most vehicles out there) and in the future we will see newer diesels- but they will need to be shared in multiple vehicles (read: MINI Countryman, X1, 1 Series)

Give it another year.


It does produce the same power, it is cleaner and it gets better MPG- All facts and this is not something they just cooked up.... this has been in the works for sometime.

While I understand your reasoning, and no doubt you hit the nail on the head in terms of how BMW of North America views the market, diesel Jettas seem to be selling much better than the 335d.

I know that it is not the same market. However a relative of mine looked at the 335d, didn't like the numbers, and ended up getting a diesel Jetta and banking the balance of the money. So in at least the case of one data point the market looked at the 335d, found it lacking and searched out a more efficient German diesel. There is no doubt in my mind that this was, in truth, a lost 520d sale.
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Great a $50,000 3 series with a 4cyl. engine. Status only goes so far.
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