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      04-28-2011, 03:37 PM   #45
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Cadillac CTS wagon may be the last one standing?
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      04-28-2011, 04:08 PM   #46
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      04-28-2011, 06:15 PM   #47
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If one manufacturer can avoid the lemming-like rush to SUVs and continue to offer a wagon (or bring it back), that manufacturer will have the market for a sporty wagon to itself.
The problem is that the car companies do not market the wagons as much as the utility vehicles. The last 3 series commercial showed a sedan, coupe, and convertible, but NO touring!
When we bought our E91, the sales people kept trying to steer us to an X3, eventhough we said we wanted an xi wagon. I admit part of it, was that it is hard to find an xi wagon in the Los Angeles area, but they were not being much help.
So, I have to wonder two things 1) Why are the car companies not marketing the wagons as vehicles that are as useful as an SUV and more fun to drive and 2) if the profit margin for the dealer/BMWNA is much higher for the SAVs than for the tourings.
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      04-28-2011, 10:03 PM   #48
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The problem is that the car companies do not market the wagons as much as the utility vehicles. The last 3 series commercial showed a sedan, coupe, and convertible, but NO touring
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In the current market the BMW 3er Touring E91 in the USA is being buried by the rapid sales of the new X3. In the US if there is a similar SAV alongside the Touring they take the SAV. In a way it is a win-win situation.
Of course this is the case and I think that Daniel's observation plays a big part of it. When was the last time that a 3 series touring was featured in any North American marketing material? If customers are truly choosing between two BMW models, and if BMW is honestly concerned about Efficient Dynamics, why don't they support the lighter weight, better handling and equally utilitarian touring models instead of only the SAVs? It would only help their CAFE numbers...
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      04-28-2011, 11:10 PM   #49
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You are right guys.

As an exemption, when I bough my e91, I was looking for the X3 or e91 and the senior seller really push me into the e91. The x3 was an old model and really not efficient.

In Germany and UK, the e91 is very popular..
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If customers are truly choosing between two BMW models, and if BMW is honestly concerned about Efficient Dynamics, why don't they support the lighter weight, better handling and equally utilitarian touring models instead of only the SAVs? It would only help their CAFE numbers...
Probably better profit margins on the SAVs. Not to mention they are built in the US so not affected by the poor Euro-Dollar exchange rate. It all comes down to the $$$
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Probably better profit margins on the SAVs. Not to mention they are built in the US so not affected by the poor Euro-Dollar exchange rate. It all comes down to the $$$
Then they should increase the price by $1000 dollars on the wagon, you can get the touring, BMW get the profit and everybody is happy.

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Any chance this increases value of used E91 models?
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Then should increase the price by $1000 dollars on the wagon, you can get the touring, BMW get the profit and everybody is happy.
I wish it was that easy. The problem is in the US, the 328xi touring is already ~$2500 more expensive than the X3 Xdrive28i. Nobody here wants to buy a station wagon that is more expensive than an SUV/SAV with about the same utility.

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Any chance this increases value of used E91 models?
Probably won't make much of a difference. As soon as the F30 GT comes out, everyone will jump on the GT bandwagon.
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I'm right there with you. I sold my E90 M3 and am now shopping for a 2012 GTR. I test drove a 2012 and all I can say is oh my god! It is unbelievable how fast this car is. Not as practical as the M3 which I think is a better all around daily driver, but I wanted scary fast and the GTR is it. Plus, I wasn't too happy when some grandpa blew my M3 away with his Panamera Turbo. That's not going to happen to me in the GTR (especially after a tune and turbo back exhaust!).

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I wish it was that easy. The problem is in the US, the 328xi touring is already ~$2500 more expensive than the X3 Xdrive28i. Nobody here wants to buy a station wagon that is more expensive than an SUV/SAV with about the same utility.
WTF ??? Over here its opposite. Strange.
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WTF ??? Over here its opposite. Strange.
X3 is made in USA.
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A friend from the UK or indeed any other country sends me scans or clippings of magazines that portray a BMW whether past , present or future.

Today I have been sent some examples of the BMW 4er , or as it will be known as the BMW 3er Gran Turismo. Because in China for example - 4 by itself is considered unlucky. Given that China will be a key market for the Gran Turismo 3er, and it could also be built there alongside the China Market only 3er Li Longwheelbase Sedan which the 3er GT shares a platform with.

Given that the 5er Gran Turismo preceded the 5er Sedan in production and concept , this will not happen with the 3er.
Again like the 5er , The 3er Gran Turismo will appear as a "Pre-Vision Concept" although the 5er GT in production form was seen before the new
5er. For the Concept you will see the 3er GT Concept before the new 3er.

The rendering concentrates on the final exact shape but some details are exaggerated especially the bluntness of the rear. It is bit more streamlined dynamic looking and less bulkier than the (6er) lights on the render.
The headlights I can say are very close to the finished car. Given that the BMW signature headlight shape is now being immitated left,right and center.
It is only right that BMW designers seek to add new interpretations to maintain a single identity.

The 3er Coupe also uses the same formula to add increased sportiness to the front of the car. As does the upcoming new BMW 1er Sporthatch.
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For the Concept you will see the 3er GT Concept before the new 3er.
Sounds like LA, Detroit, or possibly Chicago then?
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IAA will be the official launch at an autoshow and on homeground for BMWi.
So in between the rest of the BMW brands and sub-brands BMW i will have it's own section focusing on the Concept car of the i3 MegaCity Vehicle which you shall learn about in August.

BMW will return with it's indoor arena and driving track to showcase new models such as the BMW i3 Concept , BMW 1er Sporthatch and the BMW M5 Sedan.
BMW will also show a Concept Car and focus on the next generation 1er which will have it's own "road" with every example on show within the large BMW Hall , A new MINI Concept detailing the next generation and Rolls-Royce will showcase something involving the Ghost.

In conclusion this years IAA is turning out to be a world class event.
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In conclusion this years IAA is turning out to be a world class event.
Ah, ok. I just figured that with the F20 1 series and F10 M5 production car debut it was getting too crowded at that show. But it sounds like they have a whole bunch of other stuff already so why not the 3GT too?
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I think that time table is incorrect. The car should go into production in November and will be released at the beginning of 2012. There is no way the sedan is over a year away if production begins in November 2011.
I test drove some cars today. I currently have a 2001 5 series. I felt that the new 5 is too big and not sporty enough, but the current 3 is too small and they skimped on the interior. I asked about the F30 and to my surprise he mentioned that he had heard they were ramping production of the F30 in November and that cars would go on sale late this year or early 2012.

I hope this is true. I think I can make that time frame work. Late 2012 summer/fall as reported in the first post is probably too long away for me and force me to look at other cars.

With the reported increased size of the F30, it should be the right size for me. If they lift the interior from the 5 that will address my concern on the interior as well.

Now all I have to do is wait for more teaser photos
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The 1 Series GT and 3 Series GT remind me of these photos and info floating around a little under 2 years ago...

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Will they launch 320d in F30 3-series ??
and when will they sell in Asia ?
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Just bought an e91 320d and got 10000 euro in discount. E90 is still a great car
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