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      11-22-2011, 10:32 AM   #45
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Am I missing something or is BMW offering a more limited interior leather color choice. If I do not want one of the 3 "Lines" it seems that you can only order black or beighe Dakoda leather- seems very stupid. I hope I'm wrong.
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      11-22-2011, 10:35 AM   #46
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Am I missing something or is BMW offering a more limited interior leather color choice. If I do not want one of the 3 "Lines" it seems that you can only order black or beighe Dakoda leather- seems very stupid. I hope I'm wrong.
You can get a base, and choose your leather interior, but you wont get sports seats...
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This is so obvious I don't know how BMW couldn't see it. And these are the same people making marketing judgements regarding 1er hatchback, 3/5er station wagon cars... We also saw how these "savvy" marketing people failed with 5 series GT.

The 335d is more expensive than 335i, while not having a big advantage over mileage. You have to drive 10s of 1000s of miles to break even the price difference... so what's the point?

WE WANT 123/125 DIESEL HATCHBACK!


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Bring a smaller diesel to the US and it will sell better than the 335d, I had one as a loaner for a few days and its mileage wasn't that much better than a regular 335i so I can understand why few people would want to buy it and deal with the harder-to-find diesel stations (only a few in my area sell diesel).

A 320d or 323d with 45+mpg would be a much more enticing option to American buyers. Lots of people around here drive BMWs but don't care about acceleration, I've heard plenty of people say their 328i is more power than they ever needed...not everyone is an enthusiast like the people on this forum.
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      11-22-2011, 10:50 AM   #48
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Every leather color except black and beige states that it is only available with one of the 3 "Lines"
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      11-22-2011, 11:26 AM   #49
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I wonder, for the US, will the sport seats in the M Sport Package be different then the sport seats that are included in the Sport Line? I don't mean different stitching colors.. I mean will the seats be actually different shaped seats.. like how the sports seats in E90 M Sport Package are different then E90's without the M Sport Package?
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This is so obvious I don't know how BMW couldn't see it. And these are the same people making marketing judgements regarding 1er hatchback, 3/5er station wagon cars... We also saw how these "savvy" marketing people failed with 5 series GT.

The 335d is more expensive than 335i, while not having a big advantage over mileage. You have to drive 10s of 1000s of miles to break even the price difference... so what's the point?

WE WANT 123/125 DIESEL HATCHBACK!
Americans don't buy hatches. Aside from you, me and The510King, there just isn't much interest in the 1er hatch or sadly, even in a 3er or a 5er hatch. BMW USA is correct to be cautious about bringing them over as very few would sell. In Europe wagons sell at roughly an equal rate to sedans (saloons), while they probably sell at about a 1 or 2% take rate in the US.

It's great that there are still a few wagon and hatch options in the US, and that we might get the F31 (the only F3x I'd be interested in). But the simple lack of interest by US consumers is why the don't go to the trouble of certifying more wagons here.

Further, diesel is closer to the price of petrol in the ROW making the more expensive cost of a d model easily justifiable for those in the ROW and specifically in Germany, where the added torque is more suited for Autobahn driving.

I'd love an F31 with all three pedals, a 2.0l diesel, no stinking sun roof and cloth seats, but I know there's absolutely no chance that I will get one without moving out of this country where the consumers would rather have a 4,200 pound SUV with a V8 and a transmission that does all the work for them.
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      11-22-2011, 01:28 PM   #51
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I have one more question. Can you play music only from iphone or will the idrive also work with android phones for example Samsung Galaxy S2?
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      11-22-2011, 01:41 PM   #52
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Americans don't buy hatches. Aside from you, me and The510King, there just isn't much interest in the 1er hatch or sadly, even in a 3er or a 5er hatch. BMW USA is correct to be cautious about bringing them over as very few would sell. In Europe wagons sell at roughly an equal rate to sedans (saloons), while they probably sell at about a 1 or 2% take rate in the US.
I don't know... There are awful amount of VW Golf, Subaru Impreza, Mazda 3 and MINI hatchbacks. There are some Audi A3, Volvo, and Ford Focus hatches as well.. Lexus came up with a hatch model too. So I think BMW can sell 1er hatch. At least, I think they can sell more than X5/6 M. I don't think they can sell 3/5er hatch, and they couldn't before (the ugly 5 GT).

I don't agree with "Americans don't like hatchbacks" by the way. I think there are enough Europeans in this country that would be interested in hot hatches.

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Further, diesel is closer to the price of petrol in the ROW making the more expensive cost of a d model easily justifiable for those in the ROW and specifically in Germany
I think US is such a country that would benefit a lot from diesel. This is because we have a lot of urban areas, where people drive 20-30-40miles one-way to work. A diesel (not a 3liter I6 like BMW or 6liter V12 like Audi) can be very advantageous. It will even address enthusiasts since it will be more sporty (think 123d M sport) and still get good mileage.. Who needs Prius now?
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Have there been any changes to the X-drive system? Perhaps a LSD for the rear axle.
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      11-22-2011, 02:46 PM   #54
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Have there been any changes to the X-drive system? Perhaps a LSD for the rear axle.
That would certainly drive up sales of xi cars if they continue not to offer it on rwd models.
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      11-22-2011, 06:30 PM   #55
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so it still has run-flat tires, right?
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so it still has run-flat tires, right?
was just thinking this lol...cant wait to get bent over on that tire warranty
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I have one more question. Can you play music only from iphone or will the idrive also work with android phones for example Samsung Galaxy S2?
AFAIK, this should work from Bluetooth using A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile). I doubt there will be plug-in adapters for Android since there is no standard HW design and so I think you only get album art, etc. with the cable and iOS.
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The first post says the Cd is 0.26, but the spec tables in the press materials indicate this is only for the 320d Efficient Dynamics edition.

0.26 - 320d Efficient Dynamics
0.27 - 320d
0.29 - 328i
0.30 - 335i
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pretty cure they are all 0.26 Cd
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AFAIK, this should work from Bluetooth using A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile). I doubt there will be plug-in adapters for Android since there is no standard HW design and so I think you only get album art, etc. with the cable and iOS.
Ok, thanks for the info.
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The idea is that if you are getting AWD you need the extra ground clearance in the winter. Stiffer springs still help handling.
Funny that S-Line Audis with Quattro are lower by like inch and half. My buddy is rolling in A6 quattro S-Line on 20in rims (factory!) and its LOW. Stock. Don't see why BMW has to think it's cars MUST be this AWD equivalent of SUV. It's obvious people that want xdrive in 3er just want sure footedness (sp?) in winter, but not gonna go offroading.
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Funny that S-Line Audis with Quattro are lower by like inch and half. My buddy is rolling in A6 quattro S-Line on 20in rims (factory!) and its LOW. Stock. Don't see why BMW has to think it's cars MUST be this AWD equivalent of SUV. It's obvious people that want xdrive in 3er just want sure footedness (sp?) in winter, but not gonna go offroading.
If you buy m-sport with xdrive, will it be lower or is the ride height same as without m-sport springs?
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Is the M-Sport SUSPENSION any Lower than the Regular Sport Suspension?

Is the M-Sport Suspension option any lower than the sport suspension that comes standard on the sport model?
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After the 381ps ///M550d (confirmed), there is some recent rumor of an ///M135i with 320ps...see http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614224

It would be nice if BMW developed a whole range of models that would be labeled "///M...i/d" and would slot between regular models and ///M models, just like Audi has its S below the RS. Because right now BMW doesn't have any legit alternative to the Audi S marketing-wise...it seems obvious that the "is" badge (335is, Z4 is) which lacks charisma and credit will disappear and be replaced by the "M...i/d" badge which is more appealing and catchy to consumers.

Following this logic, an ///M340i / ///M440i / ///M440i GranCoupé with 340ps to battle the Audi S4/S5/S5 Sportback seems almost an evidence to me.

I hope others will follow to extend the range :
- ///M650d / ///M650d GranCoupé (for sure)
- X5/X6 ///M50d
- ///M550i or ///M555i 420ps
- ///M755i 500ps...

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Hey guys, does anybody know if the f30 will be getting a panoramic roof as an optional extra?
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Bummer about the Alcantara. I suppose an F30 is not in the cards for me then.
Seriously?? You wouldn't buy a car because it doesn't have cloth seats? If you feel that strongly have the seats re-upholstered.
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