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      01-26-2012, 05:37 PM   #23
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We're beginning to see that a manual transmission really has no benefit in terms of fuel efficiency anymore, only offers the fun factor.
I think this is how the manufacturers want it too. Less and less reason to buy and make manuals if there is no real benefit/ advantage. It's a shame. Great numbers though.
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      01-26-2012, 05:49 PM   #24
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those fuel ratings are probably with Eco-Pro turned ON.
I read somewhere that the EPA would not test using EcoPro, but rather the "Normal" settings. Don't remember where, but BMW wasn't too happy that they wouldn't even take that setting into account. Nothing official, so I could just be feeding a rumor. Anyone have an factual evidence regarding this?
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RIP Manual transmission.

Sorry to say, but I fear the end is near for the manual transmission, in the USA. With CAFE standards and certifications cost. I suspect it will not be long before they take the option away

Manual trans were cheaper, better MPG and fun to drive.
Then it was just better MPG and fun to drive.
Now just fun to drive.

Congrats on the MPG BMW, but please don't take away the manual option.

Owned 8 BMW(s) all manuals.
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If the MT take rate is only 5%, as reported elsewhere I saw recently, then it should not impact CAFE much. The new figures and better 8AT are likely to reduce that 5% even further. I know I am considering AT for the first time.

They could do it to reduce certificatin costs and I could see them eliminating it as an option for the bread & butter 328i and only allowing MT on 335i. They did that on F10 528i.
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Impressive. I am already impressed with the the fuel economy of my (current) 335i.

Not as much difference between the 328i vs. 335i autos as I thought there may be...
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Hard for a manual driver to shift more efficiently than an automatic and easy to rev higher than efficiency calls for ( fun factor). Who has the restraint to drive their 6MT more efficiently than an automatic?
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Sorry to say, but I fear the end is near for the manual transmission, in the USA. With CAFE standards and certifications cost. I suspect it will not be long before they take the option away

Manual trans were cheaper, better MPG and fun to drive.
Then it was just better MPG and fun to drive.
Now just fun to drive.

Congrats on the MPG BMW, but please don't take away the manual option.

Owned 8 BMW(s) all manuals.
+1. Could not have said it any better.
My last 5 cars have been manuals.
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my 'Ol ZHP used to do 32 on the HWY going 75. Thus, I believe those numbers on the 328; which is very impressive.
Crap, it does better than my 2.5L 5 cylinder motor on my MKV jetta
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impressive. my 6mt 328i was rated at 18/28 epa, but i avg 24.5 mixed and easily get 30-31 on interstate flogs from austin to dallas.

as for the manual-auto debate... at this point, there really is no point for my next car to be a manual. the 8at rev-matches very well - the paddle shifter will do for me; don't need to row my own gears anymore
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Sorry to say, but I fear the end is near for the manual transmission, in the USA. With CAFE standards and certifications cost. I suspect it will not be long before they take the option away

Manual trans were cheaper, better MPG and fun to drive.
Then it was just better MPG and fun to drive.
Now just fun to drive.

Congrats on the MPG BMW, but please don't take away the manual option.

Owned 8 BMW(s) all manuals.
Having own 3 manual ///M I am planning on ordering only manual to help them stay alive.

They are just to fun to drive.
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I read somewhere that the EPA would not test using EcoPro, but rather the "Normal" settings. Don't remember where, but BMW wasn't too happy that they wouldn't even take that setting into account. Nothing official, so I could just be feeding a rumor. Anyone have an factual evidence regarding this?
that would be awesome! Eco Pro 328i w/auto 8spd
city 30 / highway 42
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2012 F30 328i 8-speed auto: 24 city / 36 highway.
2012 F30 335i 8-speed auto: 23 city /33 highway.

1mpg difference city - 4% difference. Ugh.

So a detuned N55 6-cyl. @ 240-260HP (20% less power) would probably match the N20.

4-cyl. turbo = BIG fail.
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not bad, i'll still take a manual also.
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considering that the 2011 BMW 335d gets 23 city / 36 highway, this means that the new F30 328i gets one better MPG city and matchs the 335d Highway. Isn't the new 328i performance wise faster than the 335d?
I seriously doubt the 328i will have better performance compared to the E90 335d
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Based on my personal experience with a manual transmission you can easily beat the EPA estiamtes by a few MPG but with automatic it is the otherway around.

In the euro cycle the difference beween 328 manual and automatic MPG is insignificant (combined manual 44.1 vs automatic 44.8).

But I agree that the advantage of manual transmission in terms of efficiency is gone.
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I seriously doubt the 328i will have better performance compared to the E90 335d
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Its important to note that the only reason the automatic provides better fuel economy is because of the two very long over-drive gears. The driveline losses associated with the automatic are still more than the losses associated with a manual.

I believe the economy figures posted are in Normal mode and that ECO-PRO will get you better economy than what is posted.
This isn't true. The ZF 8HP has a locking torque converter, only 2 shift elements, and a fancy hydraulic control unit. There are other cool technologies including the hydraulic accumulator that makes start - stop possible. This should be plainly evident by the automatic transmission being more efficient in city and highway driving.

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the 335d the US has is very outdated, we need the 300+HP 35D engines that Europe is getting right now. Better MPG than our 35D and much faster.

problem is because the US doesn't use much diesel fuel, our prices are pretty high, sometimes they are lower than petrol (summer I think) but in the winter petrol is usually cheaper like right now. I am pretty sure in Europe Diesel is cheaper than petrol fuel all year... Many of us on bimmerpost would buy these awesome Diesels but the general US population is still in the dark ages with their knowledge on the engines.
Diesel fuel is expensive in the US because of taxes that are higher than taxes on gasoline. Diesel cars are expensive because of emission requirements.

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2012 F30 328i 8-speed auto: 24 city / 36 highway.
2012 F30 335i 8-speed auto: 23 city /33 highway.

1mpg difference city - 4% difference. Ugh.

So a detuned N55 6-cyl. @ 240-260HP (20% less power) would probably match the N20.

4-cyl. turbo = BIG fail.
And cost more....
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Nice drive, but damn that GT3 was fast!
Yea! I covet the GT3 RS!
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Wave of the future. Flat performance, better gas.

Do the math and the gas ain't worth jack. But they're minding the milage rules...
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Well that's great news cuz I plan on getting an F33 when my E93 hits 7yrs old.( May 2015) by this time I'll grab a 335i off lease.

And getting about 33% better mileage will be awesome!!
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