F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > 2012 BMW 335i F30: Still the Benchmark @ 0-60mph - 4.7 sec (Motor Trend Video)
Extreme Power House
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-29-2012, 12:59 PM   #133
KevinJ
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2k11 335is
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: USA

Posts: 397
iTrader: (0)

Agree, I'm not knocking the new 335i at all!

I think conditions and the driver have a lot to do with it. The 335is has done 0-60 in 4.5 seconds in the right conditions so that still bests the 5.1 time.

Regardless, performance on the new 335i appears to be improved and albiet better gas mileage to boot with the nice exterior, interior, sound et al. Cudos to BMW for improving the sedan.




I like the coupe like sporty coupe like front end (I'm not a sedan person though) and the exhaust note is much better. The interior I like but not a fan of the center console are but the cup holders were needed.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
KevinJ. Thanx for the info, and whatever the outside temperature and other conditions:
German carmag AMS tested an F30 335i sportline 0-62 in 5.1 seconds.

My F30 335i is just as fast as my ex my 2007 N54 335i but even has a better sound/brakes and chassis to it.

Whatever the outcome and until the M3 arrives, or if there's an upgrade of the N55 etc., in this segment the F30 335i sportline is the real sports sedan as BMW advertised.
KevinJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 02:48 PM   #134
BMWinGE
Captain
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Germany

Posts: 649
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Scott View Post
Still can't get my head around buying a new 4-cyl engine in a bimmer.
Audi and Mercedes have had it for awhile, why wouldn't BMW?
BMWinGE is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 02:59 PM   #135
Ron Scott
Captain
 
Drives: 2013 335 M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Long Island

Posts: 631
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 328inGE View Post
Audi and Mercedes have had it for awhile, why wouldn't BMW?
I didn't say BMW shouldn't make them. Plenty of people drive 4s, I know. Not my cup of tea. Personal preference...
Ron Scott is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 04:04 PM   #136
justinnum1
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2013 335i Msport
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Florida

Posts: 4,000
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Scott View Post
I didn't say BMW shouldn't make them. Plenty of people drive 4s, I know. Not my cup of tea. Personal preference...
Thats why the make the 335...but for people that dont mind driving a 4 cylinder, its a hell of a car. Everyone that has been in my car is amazed its a 4 cylinder. Especially when its in sport mode.
__________________
F30 335i Msport Estoril Blue/Black leather sport auto. black grills, Performance Exhaust, HK,
justinnum1 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 07:13 PM   #137
maceBR
New Member
 
Drives: e92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: BRAZIL

Posts: 5
iTrader: (0)

Question m3 e92 vs 335 f30

I know obviously the m3 is the faster car. but how much? does anyone have the numbers of the m3 so we may compre?

also.. what do you think get this one or wait for the m-sport version (just for the asthetics, yes) but is does look awsome.. what do you think?
maceBR is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 07:30 PM   #138
E46M54325Ci
Lieutenant Colonel
 
E46M54325Ci's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 Porsche Cayman
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SoCal

Posts: 1,598
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by maceBR View Post
I know obviously the m3 is the faster car. but how much? does anyone have the numbers of the m3 so we may compre?

also.. what do you think get this one or wait for the m-sport version (just for the asthetics, yes) but is does look awsome.. what do you think?
0-60 wise, I think 4.3 in the latest C&D head to head with the new AMG C coupe. it still beat the C overall and the C was under 4 secs. i have a feeling the e9x m3 would run circles around an F30 335i on the track
__________________
987.2 Cayman, Aqua Blue on Black
E46M54325Ci is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 09:13 PM   #139
maceBR
New Member
 
Drives: e92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: BRAZIL

Posts: 5
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci View Post
0-60 wise, I think 4.3 in the latest C&D head to head with the new AMG C coupe. it still beat the C overall and the C was under 4 secs. i have a feeling the e9x m3 would run circles around an F30 335i on the track
yes of course it is faster, i just wanted to know by how much, and if it is enough to justify my getting a used m3
maceBR is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 11:35 PM   #140
Nyulak
Captain
 
Nyulak's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 BMW 535xi
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SheffVill, OH

Posts: 950
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2009 BMW 535xi  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinJ;


Also just review the C/D test notes: 2012 335i 0-60 5.3 and look at the outside cold temp which would helps the 0-60 time. The 335is for example was done at near 70-80 degree temps.

[url
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2012-bmw-335i-sedan-test-review-car-and-driver2012-bmw-335i-april-2012.pdf[/url]

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-bmw-335is.pdf
KevinJ, I think the cold weather of the C/D test may have reduced the grip from the tires. Also, the turbos are not maxed to allow for adjustments with respect to temperature, that is the hotter air would result in less power, but the extra headroom of the turbo is put to use by the DME to allow a consistent level of torque regardless of temperature - think of it as a temperature-dependent boost limiter that increases with temperature. This is why the car works better at higher altitudes than a comparable NA car; the DME can compensate for thinner air by allowing the turbos to spool more than it would at sea level. Of course, there is a limit to this adjustment.
Nyulak is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 04:02 AM   #141
Robin_NL
S0THPAW
 
Robin_NL's Avatar
 
Drives: AW 1M , Assetto Corsa
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: The Netherlands, Europe

Posts: 4,687
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
I think conditions and the driver have a lot to do with it. The 335is has done 0-60 in 4.5 seconds in the right conditions so that still bests the 5.1 time.
FYI, that 5.1 is 0-100 KMH (62MPH fwiw) and that's still 0.4 seconds better than BMW tells us.

Cheers
Robin
Robin_NL is offline   Netherlands
0
Reply With Quote
      03-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #142
KevinJ
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2k11 335is
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: USA

Posts: 397
iTrader: (0)

Nice, the 0-100 factory time is 5.7 for the 335i

Again, I'm not ragging on the new 335i. It was fact though that the opening statement pointed that new 335i is as fast as the 335is which is just not true which is what I was pointing out (unless you do torque braking every time that resulted in the time). That won't help you at rolling start or higher speed acceleration.

Also the 335is has 370 Torque overboost.

"This new one actually accelerates at the same pace as the 320-horse, 332 lb-ft 335is -- the one with two turbos and a fast-shifting twin-clutch transmission."

I still question setting a benchmark from just torque braking that makes up for 20HP, 70 Torque, faster DCT shifts and got 0-60 in 4.7 which is an average 0-60 for the 335is.


The factory claim on the 335is for example was;

0-100 km/h (s) or 0-62Mph: 5.3

Compared to factory claim on new 335i

0-100 km/h (s) or 0-62Mph: 5.7

So in this case if someone pulled a 5.1 on the 2012 then that is .6 better than the factory claim. The bottom line is that the new 335i gets the same if not better performance as the old at better MPG which is important.

I found a site that you can add different models to compare general numbers for folks that don't want to qualify and quantify different magazine results:

http://www.automobile-catalog.com

0-60 mph (s):
2011 - 335is Coupe: 4.6

2011 - 335i Sedan: 4.9
2012 - 335i Sedan: 5.0


Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin_NL View Post
FYI, that 5.1 is 0-100 KMH (62MPH fwiw) and that's still 0.4 seconds better than BMW tells us.

Cheers
Robin
KevinJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-09-2012, 10:46 AM   #143
jsedlak
Lieutenant
 
jsedlak's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i 6spd
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Morristown, NJ

Posts: 410
iTrader: (0)

Just saw something a little funny last night.

I was watching an older Top Gear and they had the older GT500 on the show. They mentioned it had 500 horsepower and could do 0-60 in 4.9s. I'll assume, based on wikipedia that it was the 2007-2009 model. A quick google search confirms the car will do ~4.5s, with a few claiming 4 seconds flat and some claiming 4.9s.

At the time I faintly remembered reading the 335i could do a 4.9s 0-60 time and had to confirm. Wow... I'm surprised to say the least. I guess that extra 200hp is pretty much wasted in the GT500, which is really sad.

It also reminded me of the silly AMG models that have a ton of horsepower, but can never seem to put it down. When Top Gear raced the C63 and the M3, the AMG had a lot of issues actually using its power and lost because of that.

Anyways... carry on.
jsedlak is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-09-2012, 11:36 AM   #144
tdizzle
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: 2012 335i Sport
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Memphis

Posts: 1,768
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jsedlak View Post
Just saw something a little funny last night.

I was watching an older Top Gear and they had the older GT500 on the show. They mentioned it had 500 horsepower and could do 0-60 in 4.9s. I'll assume, based on wikipedia that it was the 2007-2009 model. A quick google search confirms the car will do ~4.5s, with a few claiming 4 seconds flat and some claiming 4.9s.

At the time I faintly remembered reading the 335i could do a 4.9s 0-60 time and had to confirm. Wow... I'm surprised to say the least. I guess that extra 200hp is pretty much wasted in the GT500, which is really sad.

It also reminded me of the silly AMG models that have a ton of horsepower, but can never seem to put it down. When Top Gear raced the C63 and the M3, the AMG had a lot of issues actually using its power and lost because of that.

Anyways... carry on.
Good point, when only comparing 0-60, too much HP can hurt if you can't put it down (not going anywhere if the wheels are spinning). Now if you grab that old GT500 and check out quarter mile times, trap speed, passing accel, etc, you have another world to talk about. I bet the new GT500 is fun though, think it's running 0-60 in 4 flat or less and keeps on pulling up to 200 mph apparently. But I guess that's what 660 hp will do for you.

The 335 sure is fun to drive though. While, some say they use the GT500 for every day driving, I'm sure the 335 is easier to live with and can have a bit of fun when the opportunity rises. I wouldnt mind being able to put my foot into a GT500 every now and then though...
tdizzle is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2013, 01:09 AM   #145
AweSam8
Super Spectacular Awesome Dude
 
AweSam8's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 BMW 335i M Sport EBII
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Seattle, WA

Posts: 542
iTrader: (0)

So... Should I even bother getting the PPK when it becomes available?l
AweSam8 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2013, 01:33 AM   #146
rayg
Private First Class
 
Drives: 435i
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA

Posts: 195
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AweSam8 View Post
So... Should I even bother getting the PPK when it becomes available?l
Talk about an 18 month bump...you'd be better off with a cheaper and more powerful aftermarket tune rather than BMW's milder, more expensive tune.
rayg is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2013, 01:53 AM   #147
AweSam8
Super Spectacular Awesome Dude
 
AweSam8's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 BMW 335i M Sport EBII
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Seattle, WA

Posts: 542
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rayg View Post
Talk about an 18 month bump...you'd be better off with a cheaper and more powerful aftermarket tune rather than BMW's milder, more expensive tune.
I understand, but I'd like to keep the warranty without the hassle of taking things off when it's time for service.
AweSam8 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2012 3 series review, 2012 3 series reviews, 2012 335i review, 2012 335i reviews, 2012 335i track video, 2012 f30 review, 2012 f30 reviews, 3 series f30, 3 series f30 forum, 3 series f30 review, 3 series f30 reviews, 3 series forum, 3 series reviews, 3-series review, 335i 0-60, 335i 0-60mph, 335i f30, 335i f30 review, 335i f30 video, 335i quarter mile, 335i review, 335i reviews, bmw 3 series first drive, bmw 3 series forum, bmw 3-series f30, bmw 335i review, bmw 335i reviews, bmw f30, bmw f30 3 series forum, bmw f30 3 series review, bmw f30 3-series, bmw f30 forum, bmw f30 review, f30 0-60, f30 0-60mph, f30 3 series review, f30 3 series reviews, f30 3 series track video, f30 3-series, f30 3-series forum, f30 328i, f30 328i quarter mile, f30 335i 0-60, f30 335i 0-60mph, f30 335i review, f30 335i track video, f30 335i video, f30 forum, f30 forums, f30 review

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:44 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST