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      09-28-2016, 02:35 PM   #1
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A theory on the coming G-20 M340i...

A theory on the coming G-20 M340i..

I apologize if this has already been discussed but I think I have an idea why BMW is going to deem the next generation G-20 340i the “M340i” not simply the 340i.

I was looking at the curb weights of various 2 and 3 series and it seems as though, if the predictions of a lighter G-20 3 series are true, the manual 340 could drop from nearly 3700 pounds to just under 3500 pounds. This will give it almost the same power to weight ratio of the M240, currently the fastest non-M (or I) car in the BMW inventory. If the Performance and sound pack are added it would be a power to weight ratio of 9.78 pounds per horsepower--about the same as a 2016 Chevy SS.

I know a lot of enthusiasts scoffed when BMW attached the M label to the M235 but I think I can say there is a consensus that the M235/M240 are very exciting cars that merit the label “almost an m”. I would not be surprised if some M235/M240 owners would prefer their cars to the current M3/M4 due to its smaller size and “tossibility” but that is another issue altogether.

This potential G-20 weight loss has the potential to dramatically increase performance across the 3 series line. A manual 330i currently weighs in at 3500 pounds. Drop 200 pounds off that and you are in 228/230i territory—a car which jalopnik said was the best enthusiast BMW you could buy when equipped with a manual and the track handling package.

The weight loss of the Chevy Camaro is instructive; when they shifted to the new Cadillac ATS chassis all three of the Camaros lost about 200-250 pounds and even the 4 cylinder Camaro now has respectable performance (for a car with terrible visibility).

Power to weight rations are not everything but if they can cut 200 pounds off the weight make the steering more fun the next 340 could be a truly revolutionary performance sedan.

If you are thinking of a current generation M3 or a 340i, you may wish to consider weighting a bit longer. The current 340i looks great but with 200 less pounds, it looks a lot better. I am currently looking to move from a coupe to a sedan and this may cause me to wait for the G20
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      09-28-2016, 04:36 PM   #2
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      09-28-2016, 05:10 PM   #3
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"weighting a bit longer"

I see what you did there. I agree with you. I've been holding off as I've got the itch to move to an M from my current 435, but can't quite do it knowing what is around the corner. I can't imagine that BMW will sit around taking the beating it has on the current gen and with others catching up/surpassing. While they are absolutely great cars, BMW needs to step it up and it looks like they are. I'm excited to see what's in store.

Now if I can just hold off on the impulse of buying a C63/M/GT350-500/P car, but that's another story.
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      09-28-2016, 06:06 PM   #4
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I'd be very interested in this car as well, but it's what 2 years out? That's a long wait.
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      09-28-2016, 08:41 PM   #5
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Why wait when the 340i is great already? I'm sure the g20 is going to be badass but no reason to wait to get a great BMW already. Most people dont buy or lease right away at least not me lol
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      09-28-2016, 10:47 PM   #6
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Pretty sure our resident insiders confirmed this months ago so good intuition. M Performance models are going to take the top spot in many of the series. M235 was first with the M760 in the 7 and M550 in the new 5 come spring.
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      09-28-2016, 11:13 PM   #7
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Release date for the G20? 2018 MY?
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Release date for the G20? 2018 MY?
Probably MY19
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No details on the make up of the upcoming M340i but if you got a 340i now and added the MPPSK & LSD I think you will be close to if not dead on performance wise.
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      09-29-2016, 03:00 AM   #10
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Maybe the G 20 will get an aluminum trunk and hood.? The 340 needs to go on a serious diet. Mine weighs 3660 pounds. today's society does not allow me to fat shame my car into losing weight.
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Maybe the G 20 will get an aluminum trunk and hood.? The 340 needs to go on a serious diet. Mine weighs 3660 pounds. today's society does not allow me to fat shame my car into losing weight.
Isn´t it aluminium already?
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Honestly I'd prefer it if they just stuck with the 340i name and brought the 3 series to the top of the midsized sports sedan list. If anything, eliminate the 340i altogether. Just make it ONLY the M340i. Keep the 330 and 320 non "M". That being said, the price of a M340i will be pretty close to a base M3/M4, so I hope there is a nice upgrade to the M series. The M3/4 line will have the same problem that the 2 line does... the M2 and the M235 are too close together.
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Release date for the G20? 2018 MY?
Probably MY19
Oh yea... since next year will be 2018 MY. My lease runs out in May of 2018. Not sure I'll make it.
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Reasonable logic except for one big flaw. The reason not to wait for the g20 in our market is the manufacturing set in Mexico. I get globalization and many benefits of it, regardless, FINAL ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN GERMANY for BMW to regain quality and product control.
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Reasonable logic except for one big flaw. The reason not to wait for the g20 in our market is the manufacturing set in Mexico. I get globalization and many benefits of it, regardless, FINAL ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN GERMANY for BMW to regain quality and product control.
Source?

Everywhere I've read says that the BMW South Africa plant has higher quality control than the German plant.
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Everywhere I've read says that the BMW South Africa plant has higher quality control than the German plant.
There are many sources, user feedback and common sense. Don't always believe everything you read. To simplify and pick a field which at first does not appear to be anything to do with assembly location, try google corrosion and front seats. One of many examples as is rattling and creaking mostly tied to non German manufactured vehicles.
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It's a nice theory, but since the G20 platform is going to be shared with the 5- and 7-series I'm not confident there'll be a weight loss. The 2-series weighs almost as much as the 3-series due to the shared platform despite being significantly smaller. If the best BMW can do is a ~3600lb F30 when it's on a dedicated platform, it'll be a good trick to bring the weight down when it's on the same platform as a 750i.
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There are many sources, user feedback and common sense. Don't always believe everything you read. To simplify and pick a field which at first does not appear to be anything to do with assembly location, try google corrosion and front seats. One of many examples as is rattling and creaking mostly tied to non German manufactured vehicles.
I definitely agree that common sense would dictate that the German plant would be the best plant for German vehicles, but things aren't always as straightforward.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...-built-germany

My SA build is free of all the commonly reported rattles/creaks, which makes me think there's more to it than just the assembly location.

I do have one occasional rattle/slight vibration noise, it comes from my shifter due to a bad bearing in the transmission, which was made in Germany.

That said, if I were ordering a new BMW from factory, I think I'd still choose the German plant if possible. Either way it's still a crap shoot if you're going to have issues or not and that's what the warranty is for.
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Reasonable logic except for one big flaw. The reason not to wait for the g20 in our market is the manufacturing set in Mexico. I get globalization and many benefits of it, regardless, FINAL ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN GERMANY for BMW to regain quality and product control.
In my SA build, I also have none of the squeaks/rattles/wind noise others complain about. Except for transmission replacement (which was built in Germany), this car has been solid.

With that said, I wouldn't want to own one of the first cars out of a new plant, no matter what country it's in.

Re: G20...there's always gonna be something better.
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Everywhere I've read says that the BMW South Africa plant has higher quality control than the German plant.
There's no way I am buying a Mexican built BMW. I have nothing against Mexico and its a nice country.

It is like buying your wife a $6K Louis Vuitton purse but it is made in China or Bangladesh. No way dude, I can't doing that, unless the car/purse's price is significantly reduced. If BMW is going to save $$$ then so should the customer.

I will upgrade to a BMW 5 series or buy a M car, all have to be German built/assembled. I'm paying a premium for a German car.

Regarding those SA plant awards, who knows the real deal. It could have been just marketing or propaganda and even if that plant is really good, that's fine. But I ain't doing it.
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I wouldn't want to own one of the first cars out of a new plant.

Re: G20...there's always gonna be something better.
This also ^^

My 335i is built in Germany and it is solid. I don't have any of the steering issues, rattles and all that stuff you guys complain about here. I just didn't like the RFT ride and recently swapped them out with Michelin PSS tires.
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Wait for the G20 and cross yer fingers (hope for a better model cause who knows)
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Get the 340i RWD and shave your 200 lbs off now.. the 340 has the weight in all the right places (sans Xdrive).. what are you giving up by shaving to go M340 I wonder
I'm luvin my 340 and toastin every car on the road.. and I dont even have a JB4
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