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      04-04-2012, 07:49 PM   #23
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3 series long wheelbase?!?! yea its called an F10 5 series...
you might not know the most f10 in china is LI too... also the F01
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      04-04-2012, 09:05 PM   #24
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Subtle refinements to cater to this "market" are absolutely stupid. But on the other hand.....how fitting.
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Not digging this:
The Chinese letters are standard on most Chinese-made Western model cars.

The letters stand for "Brilliance BMW" indicating this car was made in northeastern China by Chinese people, instead of Germans. The cars with this tag are usually much cheaper than European imported cars.

You will also see cars in China with the letters on the back that say "Shanghai Volkswagen" or "Guangdong Honda", meaning those cars are Chinese made.
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      04-04-2012, 09:27 PM   #26
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China is a huge market with big different from town to town and not every one prefer LI........Luckly the imported standard ones are still available.
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For those that don't know, they create Li version specially for China is for one reason only, "hierarchy". If your boss drives a 5 series. You can't be seen in the same car. Hence 3 Li. Just like they created the 5 Li for those whose boss drives a 7 series.
The 3 series Li will be estimated at about 400-500k RMB depending on loadout. 5 series Li will be about 800k-900k RMB. That is why there is a 3 series Li, many people can't afford the 5 series.

There is no hierarchy with regard to cars in China. This is because pretty much everyone who drives a BMW owns their own business. You will probably not know any employees that can afford a 500k RMB car on a salary of 50-100k RMB. If you are an employee forget owning a luxury car in China.

Not even middle executives can afford this, but sometimes they get company owned cars.
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      04-04-2012, 10:22 PM   #28
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I find this funny to say the least, the car seems ok(sure it's nicer than most things on the road out there) but it is hardly the "class" we are used too.
What is most disturbing about the Chinese takeover of the automotive industry as jozeff so kindly pointed out is that there is absolutely no way for the Chinese to accommodate all of these new cars at the rate of their car registration.

This is an absolute waste of resources, not to mention fuel.
look at this traffic jam article...
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...s-breaking-up/

just read this article from more than a year ago, pretty much talks about the same subject ...
http://tubulocity.com/?p=3207

They should just stop selling them cars (ya right) that they can't use and expedite the public transit infrastructure. Sorry but you have way to many people China how can you drive when there is no space?!!?....
Must be why a 328LI is so necessary, no desire to sit in traffic at an avg of 15mph.
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The 3 series Li will be estimated at about 400-500k RMB depending on loadout. 5 series Li will be about 800k-900k RMB. That is why there is a 3 series Li, many people can't afford the 5 series.

There is no hierarchy with regard to cars in China. This is because pretty much everyone who drives a BMW owns their own business. You will probably not know any employees that can afford a 500k RMB car on a salary of 50-100k RMB. If you are an employee forget owning a luxury car in China.

Not even middle executives can afford this, but sometimes they get company owned cars.
The 3 series start at 300k RMB and 520Li start at 4x0k RMB. If you can afford 335 then you definitely can get a 5 series.
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      04-04-2012, 11:27 PM   #30
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3 series long wheelbase?!?! yea its called an F10 5 series...
There are luxury taxes that prevent people from affording the regular 5 series, so the 3LI is a compromise.

Some want the space of a 5 without the premiums of a 5. There's a cachet with the 5 series that you can't get from a 3 series, but if you don't care about the cachet and still want those dimensions, you get the 3LI. The same goes for the 7 series. Want 7 series dimensions but can't afford a 7 series? Get a 5LI.
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I wonder if this is what the 3GT will be based on
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      04-05-2012, 03:02 AM   #33
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Well it is nothing uncommon happening here. I think it looks way too HUGE... Mercs sold in China are also "bigger" to cater for the market
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      04-05-2012, 03:38 AM   #34
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Weird Chinese world. Either they drive bicycles all around town or we get another image on how important as a customer to BMW they (Chinese) are.
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      04-05-2012, 04:14 AM   #35
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Top Gear did piece on china recently it seems over there its the rear legroom that dictates how good / luxurious car you have, so "Li " type cars are all the rage if yours doesnt have extra rear legroom its not worth. IMO its a shame its China only. OK remove the stupid extra bits of chrome but as a father of two I struggle to get rear facing car seats behind my drivers chair as I'm 6'4" so the extra rear room would help.

While I could get a 5 series I find them too large and the rear legroom not much better.
So this could be a solution. Ideally a Li Touring boy I must be getting old.
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      04-05-2012, 07:10 AM   #36
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why so many negative, it does look not bad at all. It's 99% identical to the regular 3 series. just the tail is longer on the windows part. Does not hurt at all
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      04-05-2012, 07:32 AM   #37
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I found this in the chinese configurator to make it even more luxorious


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      04-05-2012, 08:22 AM   #38
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Well, I don't think it looks that bad at all... though the colour used in the photos doesn't look great in this application though.

What I want to know, is does it have it's own F number?!
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why so many negative, it does look not bad at all. It's 99% identical to the regular 3 series. just the tail is longer on the windows part. Does not hurt at all
I think the negativity comes from the narrow minded Americans who think there is no way the Chinese can make a quality BMW and that it will devalue the BMW in the US somehow.
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I think the negativity comes from the narrow minded Americans who think there is no way the Chinese can make a quality BMW and that it will devalue the BMW in the US somehow.
Dont forget the narrow-minded europeans, like me.
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The 3 series Li will be estimated at about 400-500k RMB depending on loadout. 5 series Li will be about 800k-900k RMB. That is why there is a 3 series Li, many people can't afford the 5 series.

There is no hierarchy with regard to cars in China. This is because pretty much everyone who drives a BMW owns their own business. You will probably not know any employees that can afford a 500k RMB car on a salary of 50-100k RMB. If you are an employee forget owning a luxury car in China.

Not even middle executives can afford this, but sometimes they get company owned cars.
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The 3 series start at 300k RMB and 520Li start at 4x0k RMB. If you can afford 335 then you definitely can get a 5 series.
I don't know if Autumn is quoting a monthly or annual salary of 50-100k RMB:

- If monthly, then annual salary is RMB 600k - 1.2 million, which would make it perfectly possible to afford a BMW (esp with kqian's revised price quote). [Hey, car prices in most places round the world are higher than in the US, and people afford them.]

- If annual, I think RMB 50-100k p.a. is way too low for professionals and businessmen who would be the target audience for the 3 series. I'm currently looking to hire someone for my function/department, for my China office, and the CV's I've seen in the past few weeks have been RMB 20 - 40 k per month - that's RMB 240-480k p.a.
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Dont forget the narrow-minded europeans, like me.
Hmmm, Norway, now thats a manufacturing gaint
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      04-05-2012, 12:38 PM   #43
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I don't know if Autumn is quoting a monthly or annual salary of 50-100k RMB:

- If monthly, then annual salary is RMB 600k - 1.2 million, which would make it perfectly possible to afford a BMW (esp with kqian's revised price quote). [Hey, car prices in most places round the world are higher than in the US, and people afford them.]

- If annual, I think RMB 50-100k p.a. is way too low for professionals and businessmen who would be the target audience for the 3 series. I'm currently looking to hire someone for my function/department, for my China office, and the CV's I've seen in the past few weeks have been RMB 20 - 40 k per month - that's RMB 240-480k p.a.
In China average employee's salary is about 4k RMB. If you are in Beijing or Shanghai such a big city let's say 6k RMB. You wont believe how much they acutal earned until u be there. Yes, forget owning a luxury car like bmw if you dont have own business or something.
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Well, I don't think it looks that bad at all... though the colour used in the photos doesn't look great in this application though.

What I want to know, is does it have it's own F number?!
F35 !
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