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      04-16-2012, 05:44 PM   #45
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Both cars seem like winners, I think the 335i's 0-100km/hr times aren't very impressive though.

Given the 10k Euro price difference, I would think the 335is (whenever it comes out) would be a more fair matchup.
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      04-16-2012, 05:44 PM   #46
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The Audi exterior looks a bit better IMO.
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+1. I agree the Audi has a better exterior design, as well as interior design in my opinion.
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      04-16-2012, 06:05 PM   #47
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Should have thrown the MB C350 in there, just for shits n giggles
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      04-16-2012, 06:08 PM   #48
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BMW is catching up with Audi on the interior, and I prefer the styling of the F30 more all around, in spite of the stupid cut in the hood line.

The Audi has a kind of melted bar of soap look. The F30 is more taunt and crisp. I think the F30 will age better too.
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      04-16-2012, 06:27 PM   #49
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It is a multi step process if you don't know how to use it otherwise it is a single step process. Works just like the Idrive.

It is also updated in the 2013 with Google maps and other apps and also the car can be used as a hotspot.
Umm...I don't remember there being radio preset buttons or heated seat buttons that were one touch. I wasn't in the car that long though so I could be wrong.
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      04-16-2012, 06:30 PM   #50
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The Audi has a kind of melted bar of soap look. The F30 is more taunt and crisp.
Both are exceedingly cautious, conservative designs.

I can understand those that have a preference for one or the other. It astounds some hate and some love one or the other.
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i always consider audi to have a little better exterior styling but comparing them side-by-side.. the bmw wins by a mile. the audi looks straight dull and lifeless next to the bimmer.

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Should have thrown the MB C350 in there, just for shits n giggles
I test drove a c350 coupe, pretty impressive indeed.
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The way I see it;

BMW - Better looking body, better looking interior and exterior.
Audi - Better transmission (DCT), better engine w much more tuning power and a much better suspension/driveline with LSD and awesome rear diff.

Looking at the specs; my choice is the Audi but I can't get over how ugly it is.
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audis are just to conservative for my liking
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Why is the S4 10k EUR more again?
and is not turbocharged or supercharged? or is that typo.

And why does it look like crap! Hate headlights.

This is going to be a golden decade for BMW
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I like the new 3er over the Audi S4. Hell I even like the E92 335is over the S4 or the S5. I think $10K is too much. Maybe $5K for the extra power would make sense but not $10K.

Also, Audi is heavy due to its AWD setup and tends to have a inherent exaggerated under steer from the reviews not to mention the steering feel is less sharper then BMW's.
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      04-16-2012, 08:05 PM   #57
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where ar those deals, 335 leasing and financing are a little more than the s4, plus the s4 depreciates more
S4 with 5500 down leases out 10k a year for over 500... loaded up 335i at 53k for msrp is 5k down 500 flat a month. Loaded a4 Prestige w/sportline is 5500 down and 579 a month(clearly audi doesn't want those cars back!)... These are real numbers from this month (I just ordered my car last monday).

I am the biggest Audi guy on this forum I can almost guarantee it and I ordered the 335i, that should say it all.

335i >S4/A4(2012 model, I reserve the right to change opinion when new models come out )
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Should there be a 335is, probably a better comparison, and price difference would be a wash. Nether has impressive 0-100 times, a lot slower than what has been reported by many other tests. Having endured though carbon buildup on Audi FSi engines, I promised myself to pass on anything that has FSI on the engine cover. With that said, I don't find the 335i particularly inspiring either...
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      04-16-2012, 09:14 PM   #59
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and is not turbocharged or supercharged? or is that typo.

And why does it look like crap! Hate headlights.

This is going to be a golden decade for BMW
COMPRESSOR? i believe thats what they meant? cause it is supercharged.
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Should there be a 335is, probably a better comparison, and price difference would be a wash. Nether has impressive 0-100 times, a lot slower than what has been reported by many other tests. Having endured though carbon buildup on Audi FSi engines, I promised myself to pass on anything that has FSI on the engine cover. With that said, I don't find the 335i particularly inspiring either...
The 3.0T doesn't have the carbon issues your DI 4.2 would have had. It seems that Audi has fixed the issue.

I have a 2010 S4.
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      04-16-2012, 10:56 PM   #61
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Wow. New tech beats old tech.

Call us when the F30 defeats whatever Audi's next overvalued machine comes out.
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The 3.0T doesn't have the carbon issues your DI 4.2 would have had. It seems that Audi has fixed the issue.

I have a 2010 S4.
How many miles on your car, and perhaps more importantly, have you opened up you IM lately?

Audi has not fixed the issue, the CB is less grave on the 3.0T than as exhibited on the 4.2 FSI, but it is still present nevertheless. There are several owners that have posted pictures once their intake manifolds have been open. No where near as ugly as on the V8 FSI, but certainly plenty of carbon buildup traces on the back of the valves, especially at the stem. Again, far better, but no real cure, anyone that believes that is drinking the VAG Koolaid.

Spoke to my Audi service manager recently (who has given me several free CB scrubs despite battling with Audi corporate and is always a genuine guy), and the CB issue far surpasses that of it solely plaguing the R8/RS4's 4.2 FSI. Just ask his techs are making a good living off laborious cleans on the 5.0 V10 engines (S6 most notably as the R8's don't have enough miles on them yet), 3.2 FSIs, 4.2FSIs, even the lowly 2.Slow FSIs. So yeah, no Audi FSI engine in the near future for me personally considering how AofA (and AG) had been denying it for years while our cars were under warranty, and now that they are not dealers are openly running CB cleaning 'specials'. It is public knowledge, in the official VAG patent which is open to anyone to read, the Audi engineers themselves professed it will be prone to carbon buildup.

Anyhow, not to digress from the current topic.

PS: Looks like the next generation VAG engines will include port injection along with being FSI (similar to what Lexus/Toyota have done), the main reason being keeping CB at bay...

PS2/Edit: Here is a link to a B8 S4 owner's internals once opened up, definitely Carbon Buildup:

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/22027.phtml
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The way I see it;

BMW - Better looking body, better looking interior and exterior.
Audi - Better transmission (DCT), better engine w much more tuning power and a much better suspension/driveline with LSD and awesome rear diff.

Looking at the specs; my choice is the Audi but I can't get over how ugly it is.
I believe the 335i actually has a better tuning potential due to the turbo. I don't know much about Audi tuning but I would be surprised to see getting much more power out of a supercharger.

I do agree on the suspension and driveline, the Audi does have a proper LSD and Quattro. Downside though it's a lot heftier, 188kg or 414 lbs, according to the article.

Also, I noticed there weren't any lap times done but I'm pretty sure the 335 would prevail.
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Put a JB4 on that biznitch and we'll see who has better straight line accel. LoL.
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I believe the 335i actually has a better tuning potential due to the turbo. I don't know much about Audi tuning but I would be surprised to see getting much more power out of a supercharger.
Just a heads up, in the new EuropeanCar mag. A GIAC tune only S4 put down 412whp. The S4 tuning is just getting interesting.

APR for awhile was the only tuner that had cracked the S4 ecu. Now more powerful tunes are hitting the market.
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BMW FTW. Audi even with their S4 can't get away from a 335i. The numbers are so close. Can you imagin when the new m3 comes out its going to kill the s4.
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Those side by side photos make the two cars look as if they are one in the same. Don't get me wrong I love the F30. But those photos make the two appear very similar.
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