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      06-07-2015, 04:07 PM   #1
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(Disclaimer: all pricing used here is for 328xi Touring. For other models, it would be slightly different, though the difference is small enough and wouldn't change the argument.)

Pre-LCI, ZMP was a $3500 premium and gave you bigger wheels, better steering wheel, better seats, black headliner, and some body bits. The only other way to get most of the same pieces was Sport Line for $2600. So, ZMP was a $900 premium over Sport Line, which seemed like a reasonable price to get the better steering wheel and the nicer body.

With LCI and most of Sport Line parts rolled into the standard package, ZMP has shrunk to the wheels (the ones that touch the road and the steering one) and trim. However, it's only $400 less expensive than before. Besides, on the xDrive cars, what really matters now is ZTR, because that's where you get the better suspension. And incidentally ZTR also gives you bigger wheels. ZTR+ZMP combo discounts $600 from the price of the two packages, which means that the difference between a car with ZTR+ZMP and a car with just ZTR is $2500. Based on eBay pricing, I'm pretty sure I could retrofit the M Sport steering wheel for under $500, so let's say it's an even $2K difference.

So, we're looking at $2K for the body trim and M Sport steering wheel, which also takes away the breadth of color choices. Doesn't feel like a good deal anymore, does it? What do you, dear reader, think?

And, to wrap it up, three exteriors I've just built. Considering that the last one is that extra $2000 - would you still vote for it?
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(Disclaimer: all pricing used here is for 328xi Touring. For other models, it would be slightly different, though the difference is small enough and wouldn't change the argument.)

Pre-LCI, ZMP was a $3500 premium and gave you bigger wheels, better steering wheel, better seats, black headliner, and some body bits. The only other way to get most of the same pieces was Sport Line for $2600. So, ZMP was a $900 premium over Sport Line, which seemed like a reasonable price to get the better steering wheel and the nicer body.

With LCI and most of Sport Line parts rolled into the standard package, ZMP has shrunk to the wheels (the ones that touch the road and the steering one) and trim. However, it's only $400 less expensive than before. Besides, on the xDrive cars, what really matters now is ZTR, because that's where you get the better suspension. And incidentally ZTR also gives you bigger wheels. ZTR+ZMP combo discounts $600 from the price of the two packages, which means that the difference between a car with ZTR+ZMP and a car with just ZTR is $2500. Based on eBay pricing, I'm pretty sure I could retrofit the M Sport steering wheel for under $500, so let's say it's an even $2K difference.

So, we're looking at $2K for the body trim and M Sport steering wheel, which also takes away the breadth of color choices. Doesn't feel like a good deal anymore, does it? What do you, dear reader, think?

And, to wrap it up, three exteriors I've just built. Considering that the last one is that extra $2000 - would you still vote for it?

Me - I can't resist the M sport! You'll regret it every time you see one rolling down the street!
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Hate the black wheels. Agreed, the ZMP is now significantly overpriced; my first thought as I was looking at the new pricing structure.
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Hate the black wheels. Agreed, the ZMP is now significantly overpriced; my first thought as I was looking at the new pricing structure.
I don't have a problem with the black wheels per se, but they do make exterior choices much more difficult.
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I think, unless you believe in reincarnation or a second life, you get what you want so you have no regrets. Price be damned.
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I think, who cares about the price? You can't make purchasing a ride like a BMW into a rational or practical decision.

You either can afford the car the way you want it, or you can't.

Buy what you can afford, then focus on what you like.

There are no "deals" on a brand new BMW, as they all cost a lot to make proper.
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I feel like the gray wheels look better on a lighter color car than the gray car or med blue. I wanted med blue with ZMP as well... if that was possible it'd be a no brainer. I think I'm leaning towards EBII with ZMP now. I have mineral gray now and had the darker blue before.... I think I prefer the blue

Is the VSS like the M car where you can adjust the feel? Or does it just adjust based on speed?
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M-Sport, always, no questions.
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I'll be the contrarian. In this particular case (wagon, X-drive, ZTR) you're better off without M-Sport. The only real downside is the loss of M-Sport steering wheel, but the Sport wheel is pretty good, and you can retrofit the M-Sport wheel if you decide the Sport isn't to your taste. I also really like the Sport exterior aesthetics and I think the M-Sport bodywork looks a bit overdone on a wagon.
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Agree that silver trim and black wheels don't match. I have noticed that myself, but that's a minor issue in my view.

Don't agree with the "price be damned" and "buy what you can afford". I can afford much more than an F31, but every dollar I spend has to be a rational expense (part of the reason why I can afford what I can afford). I know what I'm paying for when buying a BMW, or when buying this particular BMW. However, I really don't know what I'd be paying for with that $2K - and that's the question I'm asking.

So, is there a rational reason to pay for ZMP?
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Another question - with these wheels, may be the safe choice of Glacier Silver would work better? Or would that be too timid?
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I didn't get M-sport for my daily driver 2015 382d xDrive wagon either, so I'll side with sjpaul. Some bolsters and different wheels (both types) weren't worth over $3000 to me.

Of course, for 2016 I would have had to get M-sport, because the Track Package isn't available on the diesel (imagine that! ).
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For me the key reason for the M sport was to get access to the extra cooling (auxiliary radiator, higher wattage cooling fan), the M sport brakes and the staggered 18" wheels.

If the cooling and brakes aren't there, and the ZMP becomes just a body kit and trim package, I don't think it is as worth it

If I was getting a diesel wagon (328d xdrive) I think the ZMP has become the only way to get the adaptive suspension so that sort of makes it mandatory, because the base F30 suspension is pretty tough to live with (for me)
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Very interesting thread - I'm puzzling through a F31 configuration also.

Buried in the Pricing Guide for ZMP are two codes:
337 M Sport Package
715 Aerodynamic kit

The "715" is obvious as to what will be missing if you do not order ZMP. The key question is what is in the "337"? All the other bits under ZMP are self-explanatory - but will you miss out on some significant hardware without the 337 code?
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Considering the track package isn't available for the 328d, I'd still go M Sport over over the standard. Honestly, if I were looking to buy another F31, I'd wait a year for the B48 and grab an ZMM/ZTR build.
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Considering the track package isn't available for the 328d, I'd still go M Sport over over the standard. Honestly, if I were looking to buy another F31, I'd wait a year for the B48 and grab an ZMM/ZTR build.
One thing I've learned about BMW over the years is that you shouldn't buy an engine in the first three years of its production.
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One thing I've learned about BMW over the years is that you shouldn't buy an engine in the first three years of its production.
N54 is still in production in the Z435

I think that's the longest serving engine right now
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Very interesting thread - I'm puzzling through a F31 configuration also.

Buried in the Pricing Guide for ZMP are two codes:
337 M Sport Package
715 Aerodynamic kit

The "715" is obvious as to what will be missing if you do not order ZMP. The key question is what is in the "337"? All the other bits under ZMP are self-explanatory - but will you miss out on some significant hardware without the 337 code?
337 is mostly about the functional changes resulting from adding M Sport. Some of them are unique to M Sport, some are shared with Sport Line. Basically, there are things that are added compared to the base model when the car has 7AC or 337, and other things that are added by 337 alone.

Examples (this is for pre-LCI F31, since ETK hasn't been fully updated for LCI yet):
- 337 uses different intake muffler and air filter.
- 337 with M brakes uses a 210A alternator.
- 337 has different parts for calipers and pads (that's without 2NH: they're still single floating piston, but they're not the same as non-ZMP cars).
- 337 or 7AC add an auxiliary radiator.
- (seems like a strange one) headlight switch is different with 337.
- for whatever reason, there's a 337-unique 130A relay under the hood for the electric fan motor.

This is not the complete list (too many diagrams to dig through), but should give you an idea.
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337 is mostly about the functional changes resulting from adding M Sport. Some of them are unique to M Sport, some are shared with Sport Line. Basically, there are things that are added compared to the base model when the car has 7AC or 337, and other things that are added by 337 alone.

Examples (this is for pre-LCI F31, since ETK hasn't been fully updated for LCI yet):
- 337 uses different intake muffler and air filter.
- 337 with M brakes uses a 210A alternator.
- 337 has different parts for calipers and pads (that's without 2NH: they're still single floating piston, but they're not the same as non-ZMP cars).
- 337 or 7AC add an auxiliary radiator.
- (seems like a strange one) headlight switch is different with 337.
- for whatever reason, there's a 337-unique 130A relay under the hood for the electric fan motor.

This is not the complete list (too many diagrams to dig through), but should give you an idea.
Thank you for the insight into BMW engineering!
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One thing I've learned about BMW over the years is that you shouldn't buy an engine in the first three years of its production.
I figure after a year working out the kinks in the ROW market, it should be good enough. If you're going to wait 3 years after an engine release, you better buy an F3x soon or you're waiting for the G20.
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The ZMP/ZTR packaging is really a mess, and I hope they clear it up for MY2017 (when my lease is up).

Anyone that cares about track driving would want the following:
-go-flat PSS tires
-M-sport Brakes
-704 suspension (or stiffer, like the M-perf)
-Extra cooling bits

And yet, you can't actually buy that combo.

There are other annoying restrictions related to colors/interiors/wheels:
-can't get the sporty seats (black+red stitching) with the 704 suspension or the M-sport steering wheel
-only way to get the 19" 5-spoke wheels is to get ZMP+ZTR, but that deletes the PSS tires (without refunding any $)
-Can't get the new blue+fixed sport suspension above the 320i
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