F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > how do you check the oil level when the electronics don't work ?
Steve Thomas BMW
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      Yesterday, 03:42 PM   #1
jbrskissummitcolo
Driver of German cars (and motorcycles)
2
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: 435 XDrive Mineral Grey
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Denver or Dillon

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
how do you check the oil level when the electronics don't work ?

BIMMERPOST
     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com
My 2014 435 ix MT6 has added a new feature to annoy me.

The oil level sensor system doesn't work to tell me the oil level any more.

The I have tried the process several times in the past few months and it always craps out at 17% complete.
First time I thought maybe not up to temperature but I have since decided that it just doesn't work any more.

pretty soon, since the car seems to use a quart every 5K or so, I'm really going to want to know what the level is.

Any suggestions?
Does the automatic low level warning work even when the manual request to check oil level is not working?

Taking it to the dealer to get the system fixed is probably in my future unless someone knows a trick to getting the oil level system to work again?

Try as I might to love this car it does annoy me so that I can only describe it by the things that are wrong - it can't remember that I only use sport mode and makes me press that button after every start. It can't show me the tire pressure even though it has TPMS. They didn't include a dipstick, not a problem until the electronic system crapped out. They put the steering wheel heater switch in an impossible to spot location. RTF tires. The radio/multifunction display never comes back on showing the screen I want to see the most (seems like it chooses something at random). The steering column plastic rattles. Glass lens on the fog lights - they might as well just crack them at the factory.

Stupid car pisses me off even as I enjoy the power and handling. It ranks #2 in my garage for power and handling but somehow worse than the others for everything else.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 03:47 PM   #2
jgoens
Major
jgoens's Avatar
194
Rep
1,161
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i msport
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Mateo, CA

iTrader: (0)

[quote=jbrskissummitcolo;19367739

Try as I might to love this car it does annoy me so that I can only describe it by the things that are wrong - it can't remember that I only use sport mode and makes me press that button after every start. It can't show me the tire pressure even though it has TPMS. They didn't include a dipstick, not a problem until the electronic system crapped out. They put the steering wheel heater switch in an impossible to spot location. RTF tires. The radio/multifunction display never comes back on showing the screen I want to see the most (seems like it chooses something at random). The steering column plastic rattles. Glass lens on the fog lights - they might as well just crack them at the factory.

Stupid car pisses me off even as I enjoy the power and handling. It ranks #2 in my garage for power and handling but somehow worse than the others for everything else.[/QUOTE]

Those are complaints nearly everyone has. Yeah, I always wonder why the idrive starts different screens.
__________________
2013 335i Msport Black sapphire/Coral red. JB4. VRSF DP
Last car: 2011 335i Msport.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 03:52 PM   #3
smithf32
Brigadier General
smithf32's Avatar
United_States
660
Rep
3,610
Posts

Drives: '14 F32 428 MSport
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Send a message via AIM to smithf32
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgoens View Post
Those are complaints nearly everyone has. Yeah, I always wonder why the idrive starts different screens.
It doesn't start at different screens. If its a fresh startup and the car's electronics have gone to sleep it will go to the main screen, if the car hasn't gone to sleep yet it goes back to where you left it.
__________________

2014 F32 428i XDrive - MSport, Premium, Cold Weather, Drivers Assistance, Navi - Click for build thread
Mods (so far): M Performance Exhaust, Diffusor, and Grills. Trunk Lip, Painted Reflectors, Coding
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 04:09 PM   #4
SoCalDave
Major
SoCalDave's Avatar
United_States
291
Rep
1,467
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Southern California

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I'd take the car in asap since there is no manual way to check the oil. One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no dipstick and you have to rely on the iDrive system to tell you. Maybe it just needs a software update/re-boot.
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|-More mods to come
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 04:12 PM   #5
jbrskissummitcolo
Driver of German cars (and motorcycles)
2
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: 435 XDrive Mineral Grey
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Denver or Dillon

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
It doesn't start at different screens. If its a fresh startup and the car's electronics have gone to sleep it will go to the main screen, if the car hasn't gone to sleep yet it goes back to where you left it.
Not exactly been my experience, but the precise thing is does wrong is that it won't ever and has never ever come back to the screen that shows Radio Data / station information if the car has been off for more than an hour.

I checked just now, after it has been off overnight (more than 15 hours) and it came back on showing the screen that would let me start an oil level check. The last thing I did with it yesterday after I pulled into the garage was try to check the oil and it failed again.

So my experience is that it remembers somethings after being off for a good long time and never ever comes back to the screen I want - radio station information.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 04:25 PM   #6
jbrskissummitcolo
Driver of German cars (and motorcycles)
2
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: 435 XDrive Mineral Grey
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Denver or Dillon

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalDave View Post
I'd take the car in asap since there is no manual way to check the oil. One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no dipstick and you have to rely on the iDrive system to tell you. Maybe it just needs a software update/re-boot.
Since the roads have been covered with ice and small rocks that bust glass fog light lenses I haven't been driving the 435 all that much lately. The selection of RTF snow tires is very limited if your car has 19s. My Audi is more suitable for winter driving (even if it doesn't have heated steering wheel)

Now that the 60 degree weather is here for a couple days I am so looking forward to driving to the dealer in far far away and wasting a few hours for them to fix the thing.
Appreciate 1
      Yesterday, 04:42 PM   #7
tturedraider
Lieutenant Colonel
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
220
Rep
1,516
Posts

Drives: '06 Sonora 330i NA N52 :-)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, north shore (via Tennessee & Texas)

iTrader: (0)

The lack of dipstick is utterly STUPID!!! It's been that way since the E9x. The only good thing is that we've seen very few failures of the sensor.

BMW isn't the only culprit. Porsche does this and I'm pretty sure others have made this switch, too. I think GM may have this on some of their cars.

It is just mind bogglingly stupid!!!
__________________
2006 330i Sonora, current; 2004 330i ZHP Imola/NB, retired; 2000 328i TiAg, retired

** Join the BMW CCA www.bmwcca.org member #388003 - Use me as a referral & you could win a one day ///M Driving School!! **
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 04:52 PM   #8
chiefneil
Captain
United_States
100
Rep
605
Posts

Drives: 335i M Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Ditto, missing dipstick is annoying. I like to check out my car the day before a road trip - tires, fluids, etc. Having to start the car and sit and wait for the oil check is more time-consuming and annoying than pulling the dipstick while I'm already under the hood checking the coolant.

And can I can get an "amen" for how annoying and difficult it is to read the coolant fill line? A semi-clear white arrow positioned off to the side on a semi-white tank? Really? I need to remember to take a sharpie to it next time I check.
Appreciate 1
      Yesterday, 05:06 PM   #9
jbrskissummitcolo
Driver of German cars (and motorcycles)
2
Rep
9
Posts

Drives: 435 XDrive Mineral Grey
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Denver or Dillon

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
The lack of dipstick is utterly STUPID!!! It's been that way since the E9x. The only good thing is that we've seen very few failures of the sensor.

BMW isn't the only culprit. Porsche does this and I'm pretty sure others have made this switch, too. I think GM may have this on some of their cars.

It is just mind bogglingly stupid!!!
Yup it isn't just BMW.
My old Porsche has both dipstick and a level sensor plus it has a 14 quart capacity for oil
My newer 911 Turbo has the sensor and no dipstick, they have been doing it that way since at least 2001.
Seems to be the way things are going. I've never had a sensor or electronics failure on either of them.
Just a failure of the (almost) two year old BMW
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 05:32 PM   #10
Billfitz
Captain
154
Rep
817
Posts

Drives: 328iX GT
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: New Hampshire

iTrader: (0)

What's being overlooked is that a dipstick is of no value if you never look at it. Most drivers don't. Electronic oil level measurement will warn you of low oil before the oil pressure is dangerously low. If the oil level measuring function doesn't work, get it fixed.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 05:32 PM   #11
chiefneil
Captain
United_States
100
Rep
605
Posts

Drives: 335i M Sport
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrskissummitcolo View Post
Yup it isn't just BMW.
My old Porsche has both dipstick and a level sensor plus it has a 14 quart capacity for oil
My newer 911 Turbo has the sensor and no dipstick, they have been doing it that way since at least 2001.
Seems to be the way things are going. I've never had a sensor or electronics failure on either of them.
Just a failure of the (almost) two year old BMW
Car and Driver overfilled their Cayman long-term tester by 2-3 qts because the sensor kept giving a low warning. Good thing it eventually switched to an overfill warning! No dipstick, of course.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 06:50 PM   #12
tturedraider
Lieutenant Colonel
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
220
Rep
1,516
Posts

Drives: '06 Sonora 330i NA N52 :-)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, north shore (via Tennessee & Texas)

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Billfitz View Post
What's being overlooked is that a dipstick is of no value if you never look at it. Most drivers don't. Electronic oil level measurement will warn you of low oil before the oil pressure is dangerously low. If the oil level measuring function doesn't work, get it fixed.
100% true. It is still stupid to eliminate the physical way to check the level of what is literally the life blood of the motor. Even the dealership has no way of physically determining the oil level other than draining it. It's such a piddling amount of money to design in a dipstick. But it's entirely true that large numbers of today's car owners virtually never open the hood.
__________________
2006 330i Sonora, current; 2004 330i ZHP Imola/NB, retired; 2000 328i TiAg, retired

** Join the BMW CCA www.bmwcca.org member #388003 - Use me as a referral & you could win a one day ///M Driving School!! **
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 07:18 PM   #13
jww///95
Second Lieutenant
10
Rep
213
Posts

Drives: e46m3 | f31xd
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (4)

My 328d has a dipstick in addition to the electronic level sensor.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 07:23 PM   #14
kent11202
Lieutenant
United_States
63
Rep
482
Posts

Drives: 2013 328i
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
The lack of dipstick is utterly STUPID!!! It's been that way since the E9x. The only good thing is that we've seen very few failures of the sensor.

BMW isn't the only culprit. Porsche does this and I'm pretty sure others have made this switch, too. I think GM may have this on some of their cars.

It is just mind bogglingly stupid!!!
I can't envision how "somebody" at BMW actually thought the electronic system could possibly by cheaper and more efficient than a regular old dipstick. Very few failures with the current system? I have NEVER had an old fashioned dipstick fail.
Appreciate 1
      Yesterday, 07:35 PM   #15
tturedraider
Lieutenant Colonel
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
220
Rep
1,516
Posts

Drives: '06 Sonora 330i NA N52 :-)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, north shore (via Tennessee & Texas)

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kent11202 View Post
I can't envision how "somebody" at BMW actually thought the electronic system could possibly by cheaper and more efficient than a regular old dipstick. Very few failures with the current system? I have NEVER had an old fashioned dipstick fail.
Amen!!
__________________
2006 330i Sonora, current; 2004 330i ZHP Imola/NB, retired; 2000 328i TiAg, retired

** Join the BMW CCA www.bmwcca.org member #388003 - Use me as a referral & you could win a one day ///M Driving School!! **
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 07:45 PM   #16
cncmastr
Captain
cncmastr's Avatar
United_States
32
Rep
808
Posts

Drives: E30 318is, E46 M3, E53 X5, E39
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toms River, NJ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2005 BMW 330Ci  [0.00]
2007 M Coupe  [0.00]
2004 BMW 330Ci  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to cncmastr
Quote:
Originally Posted by kent11202
Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
The lack of dipstick is utterly STUPID!!! It's been that way since the E9x. The only good thing is that we've seen very few failures of the sensor.

BMW isn't the only culprit. Porsche does this and I'm pretty sure others have made this switch, too. I think GM may have this on some of their cars.

It is just mind bogglingly stupid!!!
I can't envision how "somebody" at BMW actually thought the electronic system could possibly by cheaper and more efficient than a regular old dipstick. Very few failures with the current system? I have NEVER had an old fashioned dipstick fail.
It's about emissions.
__________________
2006 Interlagos Blue BMW ///M3 | ZCP | Xenon | Nav | Premium | M Texture Alcantara
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 08:09 PM   #17
BavarianFanatic
Too much is never enough
United_States
211
Rep
2,463
Posts

Drives: Too Many
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

Drain oil. Measure the output. Refill and make up the difference?

I was most of the way through developing a simple dipstick retrofit, but never finished it since I'll bet that 99% of the folks that complain about it wouldn't actually follow through with buying and installing it.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 01:39 AM   #18
Kev314
Enlisted Member
6
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: 2014 328 xdrive
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Massachusetts

iTrader: (0)

The main prob I have is that there is no easy way to verify that the guy putting in new oil actually did the job; i.e., by taking out the dip stick and looking at the color. Anyone can have a mental lapse after coming back from an interruption. That leaves the possibility of going an additional 7500 or 10,000 miles on old oil.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 02:19 AM   #19
maverick83
Private First Class
South Africa
3
Rep
148
Posts

Drives: 2014 F30 320d AT M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Kempton Park

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrskissummitcolo
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
It doesn't start at different screens. If its a fresh startup and the car's electronics have gone to sleep it will go to the main screen, if the car hasn't gone to sleep yet it goes back to where you left it.
Not exactly been my experience, but the precise thing is does wrong is that it won't ever and has never ever come back to the screen that shows Radio Data / station information if the car has been off for more than an hour.

I checked just now, after it has been off overnight (more than 15 hours) and it came back on showing the screen that would let me start an oil level check. The last thing I did with it yesterday after I pulled into the garage was try to check the oil and it failed again.

So my experience is that it remembers somethings after being off for a good long time and never ever comes back to the screen I want - radio station information.
Annyoingly if you have it on any other screen accept the radio, and your pdc comes on, it goes to menu screen after pdc disengages again. Very annoying.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 09:56 AM   #20
Adamr916
First Lieutenant
Adamr916's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
345
Posts

Drives: 2014 328d
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jww///95 View Post
My 328d has a dipstick in addition to the electronic level sensor.
+1, sales manager told me that all of the diesel's have a dipstick. The actual tube is still there on most of the cars, so you may be able to order a dipstick for it. But my 328d did come with a dipstick so I can see how fast it turns black after a fresh oil change.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 10:33 AM   #21
roundel335
Brigadier General
roundel335's Avatar
United_States
167
Rep
4,293
Posts

Drives: 13 335i Sedan, 11 128i Cabrio
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Leland, NC

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
I'm having a hard time understanding why, on a relatively new car that's still under warranty, that the trip to the dealership or at least a call to them isn't the first action taken. If it's not working right, they're the ones with the expertise to fix it as opposed to the posters on this forum. I've never had this problem on my previous '07 E92, the wife's '11 E88, or my current '13 F30. But if I did, I'd be making a service appointment right away. And especially if the TPMS display isn't working either. Sounds like something in the electronics needs replacing.

So pushing the button for sport mode every time you start the car is too much trouble? Buy some pre-cut protective film from BavAuto to protect your headlight and foglight lenses - cheap insurance. Strange that my iDrive (non-nav) always comes back to whatever screen I left it on previously. And I frequently turn it off, particularly at night (have button 8 assigned to that) and it remembers that, too. I've even coded my TPMS display to give tire temperature as well as pressure for each wheel, and enabled the Weatherband radio (yes, it's right there just waiting to be activated) among other hidden functions. Lots of things to appreciate in these cars despite the lack of a manual dipstick - which, by the way, has already been bemoaned and bitched about hundreds of times on this forum and the E9x forum.

Sorry you're having these "problems", but that's what 4-year/50K mile warranties are for.
__________________

2013 F30 335i M-Sport 8AT/MPE/MPPK, 2011 128i M-sport Cabrio 6MT/PE

Last edited by roundel335; Today at 10:39 AM.
Appreciate 1
      Today, 01:50 PM   #22
BavarianFanatic
Too much is never enough
United_States
211
Rep
2,463
Posts

Drives: Too Many
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
I'm having a hard time understanding why, on a relatively new car that's still under warranty, that the trip to the dealership or at least a call to them isn't the first action taken. If it's not working right, they're the ones with the expertise to fix it as opposed to the posters on this forum. I've never had this problem on my previous '07 E92, the wife's '11 E88, or my current '13 F30. But if I did, I'd be making a service appointment right away. And especially if the TPMS display isn't working either. Sounds like something in the electronics needs replacing.

So pushing the button for sport mode every time you start the car is too much trouble? Buy some pre-cut protective film from BavAuto to protect your headlight and foglight lenses - cheap insurance. Strange that my iDrive (non-nav) always comes back to whatever screen I left it on previously. And I frequently turn it off, particularly at night (have button 8 assigned to that) and it remembers that, too. I've even coded my TPMS display to give tire temperature as well as pressure for each wheel, and enabled the Weatherband radio (yes, it's right there just waiting to be activated) among other hidden functions. Lots of things to appreciate in these cars despite the lack of a manual dipstick - which, by the way, has already been bemoaned and bitched about hundreds of times on this forum and the E9x forum.

Sorry you're having these "problems", but that's what 4-year/50K mile warranties are for.
It's the new world order - ask social media and Internet forums rather than asking the person/folks who can actually resolve the issue or offer the best advice for your specific situation.

A local bulletin board page recently had a woman asking for feedback as to whether she should take her child for emergency medical care. She apparently hated "wasting hours sitting in waiting rooms for service". Hopefully her kid isn't dead now.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:08 PM.




f30post
f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST