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      05-13-2012, 05:57 PM   #23
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Does that mean we get a 320 diesel in North America?
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Great news! Thanks Jason.

I will keep an eye/ear out for pricing. Debating whether I should switch from Sport Line to M-Sport if I have the time/ability to do so.
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      05-13-2012, 06:31 PM   #25
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So the M-Sport suspension is the exact same as the Sportline suspension? Can anyone confirm this?
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Yeah, I believe that's the case. The M Sport package is purely cosmetic in the F3X.
This is incorrect for the 335i in the US anyway. The M-sport suspension in the US is a completely separate option that is $900 additional over the standard sport suspension which comes in the sport line F30 cars.
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      05-13-2012, 07:02 PM   #26
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The outgoing X and non-X models are an inch different.

As I mentioned, some will be bothered by its higher stance, particularly as there has been impassioned discussion re the much smaller 10mm difference with the sport suspension. An inch will spur them into a frenzy.

Both the X and the station wagon have legitimate niches.
I don't think we need to worry about the opinions of people who would buy an all wheel drive 3 series and then worry about its "stance." The main buyer of an xDrive 3 series lives in a snowy area and would probably much rather have extra clearance and suspension travel over a lower ride height.
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      05-13-2012, 07:54 PM   #27
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I wonder whether the F32 will get xDrive out of the gate, or if we'll have to wait another cycle for that.

I'm one of the odd people who would be more likely to go either F31 or F32 than F30.
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Getting close! Any official M Sport news is exciting. Can't wait for the order guide!
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I don't think we need to worry about the opinions of people who would buy an all wheel drive 3 series and then worry about its "stance." The main buyer of an xDrive 3 series lives in a snowy area and would probably much rather have extra clearance and suspension travel over a lower ride height.
Says the person who lives in Southern California. Ground clearance in winter is vastly overrated. Most other car makers, Mercedes and Audi come to mind, have sport tuned suspensions that lower the ride height on their AWD sport models. While I agree that the stance for the suspension on a luxury line shouldn't matter, it should on a sport line. Hopefully BMW understands this some time soon.
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      05-13-2012, 08:53 PM   #32
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I don't think we need to worry about the opinions of people who would buy an all wheel drive 3 series and then worry about its "stance." The main buyer of an xDrive 3 series lives in a snowy area and would probably much rather have extra clearance and suspension travel over a lower ride height.
Says the person who lives in Southern California. Ground clearance in winter is vastly overrated. Most other car makers, Mercedes and Audi come to mind, have sport tuned suspensions that lower the ride height on their AWD sport models. While I agree that the stance for the suspension on a luxury line shouldn't matter, it should on a sport line. Hopefully BMW understands this some time soon.

I totally agree!

What's really sad for Canadian buyers is that the sport line does not come with the sports suspension...it's an extra cost...so the only benefit for me to get the sport line would be the wheels and sport seats...

So the ride height of all three lines, luxury, modern and sport are the same for Canadian buyers...

This really sucks to be honest and hopefully BMW might change this for MY2013...
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The X-drive will also power you out of a turn faster than a RWD.
Only under conditions where the non-X is traction limited. Another issue is the increased understeer of the X, especially under sharp, high speed cornering (the 200+ lbs. extra weight is in the front, the 3-Series X is unlikely to have the X6's torque vectoring). The understeer also increases as torque is transferred to the front; that is, whenever the Xdrive system is active.

The X is for snow and ice, a role it plays wonderfully.

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      05-13-2012, 09:31 PM   #34
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About a week ago my dealer told me order in September, delivery in Nov/Dec for xDrive 3-series. Is this article also saying we can order in July? I wonder if delivery will be earlier, too, like October?
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Some may be reading something I'm missing, but other than xdrive and re-listing options we've already seen, an Msport 328i and 335i are only getting a cosmetics package, which is what many have already said.

The Msport brakes are NOT standard, they are listed as an option. Interior cosmetics like anthracite headliner is also not part of Msport, it's part of Msport OPTIONAL items.

Msport gets the same sport suspension as is standard on the sport-line.
Msport gets the same brakes as sport line.
The difference is an aero body kit, and some Msport goodies like door sills and foot rests.
Msport gets staggered wheel/tire sizes, by adding 255 rears instead of 225 rears.
Msport gets a different style steering wheel.

That's fine, I like the aero kit, and that's really all it is. I just hope that the package price isn't over $1500 more over sport line, because there is nothing different mechanically to a sport line, other than wider rear tires. Standard Msport wheel/tire size is still 18" with optional 19's.

Sport line in a 335i adds $1700 to the base 3 price.
If Msport adds $2500 to a base 3, it'll be an exceptional offer.
If Msport adds $3000 to a base 3, it's still a good offer for the cosmetics.
Above $3000, it doesn't add anything mechanically to be worth it to me.
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Says the person who lives in Southern California. Ground clearance in winter is vastly overrated. Most other car makers, Mercedes and Audi come to mind, have sport tuned suspensions that lower the ride height on their AWD sport models. While I agree that the stance for the suspension on a luxury line shouldn't matter, it should on a sport line. Hopefully BMW understands this some time soon.
This is true. Audi quattro does not add ground clearance to the base FWD.
In fact when you option the sport suspension with quattro the ride height is lowered quite nicely. Plus, I prefer quattro to Xdrive. In my experience of ownership, quattro makes an Audi better in every handling way.
Whereas, the best handling BMW is a RWD, and Xdrive takes some of it away. Xdrive in a BMW is about winter driving. Quattro is about year round driving.
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Interior cosmetics like anthracite headliner is also not part of Msport, it's part of Msport OPTIONAL items......
Msport gets the same brakes as sport line....
The black headliner is part of the package, so is high gloss shadowline.
As per E90Fleet, US-spec 328i M-sport will get EU/ROW-spec brake pads as standard, tho no upgrade to EU/ROW standard-sized discs.
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      05-13-2012, 10:09 PM   #38
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Mine is coming
just need canadian ordering guide before going to the dealer!
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This is true. Audi quattro does not add ground clearance to the base FWD.
In fact when you option the sport suspension with quattro the ride height is lowered quite nicely. Plus, I prefer quattro to Xdrive. In my experience of ownership, quattro makes an Audi better in every handling way.
Whereas, the best handling BMW is a RWD, and Xdrive takes some of it away. Xdrive in a BMW is about winter driving. Quattro is about year round driving.
For someone who's not nearly as knowledgable about AWD, can you explain the differences between Audi's Quattro system and BMW's Xdrive? Thanks.
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Some may be reading something I'm missing, but other than xdrive and re-listing options we've already seen, an Msport 328i and 335i are only getting a cosmetics package, which is what many have already said.

The Msport brakes are NOT standard, they are listed as an option. Interior cosmetics like anthracite headliner is also not part of Msport, it's part of Msport OPTIONAL items.

Msport gets the same sport suspension as is standard on the sport-line.
Msport gets the same brakes as sport line.
The difference is an aero body kit, and some Msport goodies like door sills and foot rests.
Msport gets staggered wheel/tire sizes, by adding 255 rears instead of 225 rears.
Msport gets a different style steering wheel.

That's fine, I like the aero kit, and that's really all it is. I just hope that the package price isn't over $1500 more over sport line, because there is nothing different mechanically to a sport line, other than wider rear tires. Standard Msport wheel/tire size is still 18" with optional 19's.

Sport line in a 335i adds $1700 to the base 3 price.
If Msport adds $2500 to a base 3, it'll be an exceptional offer.
If Msport adds $3000 to a base 3, it's still a good offer for the cosmetics.
Above $3000, it doesn't add anything mechanically to be worth it to me.


i also read from i believe E90Fleet, that the 335 msport will get different brake pads for more bite
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      05-13-2012, 11:39 PM   #41
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i also read from i believe E90Fleet, that the 335 msport will get different brake pads for more bite
Also 328i will get those pads.
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I believe that just like previous, the M Sport package will be $1500+ above sport package.
The steering wheel is the M3 wheel.

If you look at previous 3 series with M sport, the older X3 with M sport, and so on, you can see a trend, even between generations. Probably looking at a $4000+ M Sport package.
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Will we see the 320d/330d in the US finally? It would make sense especially if the X1 will see a diesel as well. I could see the cost to federalize those engines spread out across 3/4 models. 3 Series, 5 Series, X1, and X3.

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Will we a lower-power diesel engine in the USA? I think the volume is there and Mercedes is bringing over their smaller displacement diesel as well.
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just got sick and tired of changing from winter tires to summer tires and back again every year on my current 335i...
You wanna drive in the snow with summer tires? This is a joke, right?
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