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      10-11-2012, 11:18 AM   #331
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This is crazy enough that I'm going to start my own thread in the order/tracking forum, but get this:

I spoke with my CA last night and it appears I now have TWO cars coming tto the dealership. Exactly the same.

I placed my order Saturday and they still didn't have allocation. Well, turns out they got some, submitted my order, and it got put into PW43. My CA told the manager that we needed to wait until PW45+ so they placed an order for PW47. Unfortunately, the first order got prioritized and placed into a state that they couldn't cancel.

So I now have two orders instead of one. PW43 should be here in early December and PW47 should be here in mid January.

As far as the NAV update, my CA has a contact in Munich that confirmed a few weeks back that November builds WILL have the updated nav. In light of all this new evidence saying otherwise, I asked my CA to contact him again and confirm that BMWNA production cars will get the new nav. If yes, I'll wait and the dealer will be stuck with an identical car with the old nav. If he says he was misinformed and BMWNA cars WON'T be getting the new nav, I'll gladly take the PW43 car and let them cancel the other one.

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      10-11-2012, 11:40 AM   #332
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I just spoke with my dealer who just called with bad news. One of his BMW reps just went to a BMW NA meeting and confirmed with me that the November builds will not have the updated nav. It's something they're saving for the new model production year around April.
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      10-11-2012, 11:54 AM   #333
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Unfortunately, the first order got prioritized and placed into a state that they couldn't cancel.
The exact situation my CA was fearful of. That's why he won't let me put the order in before Oct 31.

I'm serious, we should start a running poll about the outcome. Choices could be:
  • My CA told me November
  • My CA told me NOT in November
  • My CA read me an email saying yes
  • My CA read me an email saying NO
  • There was a training video
  • BMW issued a press release
  • etc...


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      10-11-2012, 01:08 PM   #334
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The exact situation my CA was fearful of. That's why he won't let me put the order in before Oct 31.
Totally normal for a PW43 car to go status 112 by now. Once it hits 112, order is locked from changes. The PW43 car should move to status 150 (start of production) around 10/22.
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      10-11-2012, 01:14 PM   #335
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So I now have two orders instead of one. PW43 should be here in early December and PW47 should be here in mid January.
If German production PW43 should arrive late November. PW47 end December or early Jan with the holidays possibly delaying delivery.

If SA production add 4 weeks for additional transit. Could be less but often the cars are slow to move and often wait at SA port and Germany port for days.
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      10-11-2012, 01:16 PM   #336
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Totally normal for a PW43 car to go status 112 by now. Once it hits 112, order is locked from changes. The PW43 car should move to status 150 (start of production) around 10/22.
Right, but the issue was that he (or I) could have a dealer lock in a Production number in a PW45 slot today, and once BMW AG realized that I had paid for the car, it would get bumped to an earlier build week, if available (likely). Then it would go to 112 pretty quickly.
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!!!!!!!!!!!

Well ladies and gents....mainly gents I'm thinking. The final confirmation I needed is now here and I'm afraid it's bad news. My CA drove it up the corporate chain and finally got the following notification which I believe had been posted here by another source.

It's official, from BMW Corporate HQ:

Several sites are claiming that the MY13 3 Series will receive this new navigation system with 11/12 SoP this is not correct. The new navigation system will not be made available on any additional models in the US this year. It will, however, be rolled-out to additional models in the future."

('11/12 SoP' = November 2012 Start of Production)



Honestly, I'm kinda relieved that I can just go ahead with my order and get the car before winter hits hard. I'm actually now at a PW42 build so I should get delivery by late November or early December.
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Yes, that is the email BMW reps are sending to dealers inquiring about the Nav Pro. My dealer read me pretty much the exact same thing.

Plus the dealer training video backs this up.

Well, maybe 11/12 production will include other product changes such as dampened steering. One can hope!
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      10-11-2012, 05:25 PM   #339
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Right, but the issue was that he (or I) could have a dealer lock in a Production number in a PW45 slot today, and once BMW AG realized that I had paid for the car, it would get bumped to an earlier build week, if available (likely). Then it would go to 112 pretty quickly.
AG doesn't care if you paid for the car. If its an order, its simply in SOLD status and the customer name is attached. If the car is configured for you and not placed in SOLD status, another sales manager may grab it and configure for another customer or worse the dealer may trade the production slot to another dealer.

Assuming you still require a 11/12+ production car, I think you are safe locking in a 111 status car for PW45+ by the week of 10/22. It won't change to 112 then 150 that quickly to still be 10/12 production.
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      10-12-2012, 10:20 AM   #340
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Well, even though it seems rather official (although stranger things have happened!), I'll still wait until ~Nov 1 to place the order. I still think there's a chance for some extra year-end incentives. Saving another $1K or so would lessen the sting of no new Nav Pro
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      10-12-2012, 10:28 AM   #341
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Well, even though it seems rather official (although stranger things have happened!), I'll still wait until ~Nov 1 to place the order. I still think there's a chance for some extra year-end incentives. Saving another $1K or so would lessen the sting of no new Nav Pro
For someone thinking of ordering this month (for delivery in let's say December / January), if an inventive were announced for sales in November/December, do you think I would be eligible for it? Technically I could probably cancel and re-order, but of course I probably wouldn't want to do that and incur the extra delay...
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For someone thinking of ordering this month (for delivery in let's say December / January), if an inventive were announced for sales in November/December, do you think I would be eligible for it? Technically I could probably cancel and re-order, but of course I probably wouldn't want to do that and incur the extra delay...
Since we don't know if (or what type) of incentives may be offered, it is impossible to say. Could be on F30s, could be on other cars. You may have to use BMWFS, you may not. Too hard to say. You'll want to ask your client advisor.
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!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's official, from BMW Corporate HQ:

Several sites are claiming that the MY13 3 Series will receive this new navigation system with 11/12 SoP – this is not correct. The new navigation system will not be made available on any additional models in the US this year. It will, however, be rolled-out to additional models in the future."

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"in the US" may be the key phrase. I wish those Germans would be more precise and offically state exactly what MY13 models will get it when in the US and then say that no others will get it. I am still skeptical, since the only "official" annoucement from the BMW Press Group says that the new nav WILL be available in "Autumn" for F30, with no mention of location/market. We'll know the truth about the "Wk45" rumor in December. If it ends up being false, then we still won't know for sure about MY13, or even MY14 until something is officially announced.
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Based on history, the holiday incentives typically include the 3 series for sales as well as BMWFS leases. They also typically allow cars in production, but not yet delivered, to be considered for the rebate. That means if your car is on the way, when the incentive ends, the dealer can contact FS before the incentive ends and reserve it for you (so to speak). However, there have been promotions where BMWFS does NOT accept incentives after the end date.

So, there is no guarantee. We will know more just b4 Thanksgiving.
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"in the US" may be the key phrase. I wish those Germans would be more precise and offically state exactly what MY13 models will get it when in the US and then say that no others will get it. I am still skeptical, since the only "official" annoucement from the BMW Press Group says that the new nav WILL be available in "Autumn" for F30, with no mention of location/market. We'll know the truth about the "Wk45" rumor in December. If it ends up being false, then we still won't know for sure about MY13, or even MY14 until something is officially announced.
To me the key phrase is "this year". They could feasibly add to US cars starting with January production. It would more likely be March/April or for MY14.

Seems that other regions will get the Nav Pro beginning with November production. Time will tell...
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To me the key phrase is "this year". They could feasibly add to US cars starting with January production. It would more likely be March/April or for MY14.

Seems that other regions will get the Nav Pro beginning with November production. Time will tell...
I don't think the F30 will get MY2014 in March/April 2013. MY2012 was super-short, and MY2013 just started in July. So, it makes more sense to have it run a full 12 months until July 2013.
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To me the key phrase is "this year". They could feasibly add to US cars starting with January production. It would more likely be March/April or for MY14.

"This year" could also apply to November production. After all, wouldn't November production cars be expected to arrive in volume in January 2013? The vast, vast majority of new-car buyers purchase off of a dealership lot, so that date is more important than the technical start-of-production date...

That would be the optimistic view, and still consistent with everything we've heard so far. "No nav this year" would also be true, as it would only be arriving on cars expected to arrive January or later.

Having said that, I'm a bit bearish personally, but I just wanted to point out there's still a ray of hope for the optimists out there!
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I'm bumping this since CAs are telling buyers the November date for the F30 is not true.

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I'm bumping this since CAs are telling buyers the November date for the F30 is not true.

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Not news. Read back in this thread for plenty of evidence. No new Nav coming for US market this year in F30. Maybe in 2013 or for MY14.
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so, on Friday, I got this email from my CA.

"I’m sorry to report that I was misinformed. The November start of production is ONLY FOR EUROPEAN PRODUCTION three series. The US versions will not get the updated navigation system until production of the 2014 models. I personally spoke to the Product Manager for the 3-series for the US and he confirmed that the only 2013 model 3 series to get the updated nav system is the new Hybrid 3. We just got our first one of those in if you want to check it out."

So.......

Since they went ahead and had ordered my original build to come in and sell to another customer while I waited, and it was sitting on the lot, I called my CA and told him that I wasent going to wait. I told him to have the car ready in 2 hours......Im going to come pick it up for myself. Sooooo....im the proud new owner of a 335 m sport.
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BMW does allow some incentives to be "locked in" for up to 60 days, in theory to allow you to order a vehicle and still take advantage of posted rates/residuals/incentives. Filling out a credit applicaiton with FS should take care of this. Depending on if their motivations for these potential incentives - such as bolstering 2012 sales figures - they may state all vehicles must be delivered by close of business Dec. 2012.

In either case we'll see in November!
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I special ordered park assist on my 328 and I was given the infamous week 45 build as the first available. Could this mean changes to the assembly line at that time? and thus other changes such as the nav? I was told an earlier build was not possible with that option.
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