[claykin]

At this point we wait for announcement from BMWNA or a customer to take delivery. An ED car with nav could get us an update as early as next week.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by claykin

At this point we wait for announcement from BMWNA or a customer to take delivery. An ED car with nav could get us an update as early as next week.

Nah, it would have to be an ED car around Thanksgiving. It takes about a week to build the car, then they kinda sit on it for a week or so to get it ready for ED, so it will be someone that is picking up at the end of Nov or first week of Dec.

[EnerJi]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yep, that is definitely the new Nav shown on the BYO website for the standard 3er. You can tell by the 3D style "cursor" and fade-away left side menu.

I did some quick BYO for some cars that are definitely NOT going to get the new Nav (i.e. X5, M5, etc) and they still show the old Nav. Then I did some that just got the new Nav (i.e. 650i), and they do indeed show the updated version.

I still stand by my theory from one month ago. Doesn't matter to me either way at this point, I've got an AH3 on order.

Originally Posted by dzaborn

Man, if this is true, I am going to be upset. I waited for nearly 2 months in anticipation of the new Nav, and when it finally got rebuffed by seemingly everyone in the know, I went ahead and placed my order Oct. 27 and prodcution started Oct. 29 (SA).

At the time of my order, there had been chatter about the unavailability of German slots for 328's, and consequently I got an SA build. Could all of the remaining old Nav parts been in SA, hence the shift of production there?

I'm also going to be upset. I delayed my order "just in case," finally ordering on 10/26 because a) everyone (including my CA) seemed to be confidently predicting that the US F30 would not be getting the new Nav this model year, and b) I was scheduled for PW46, with a possible bump-up to PW45, which would still meet the rumored start date for the new nav. In addition, based on the research I had done to that point, I was fairly confident that the logistics would prevent an order entered late in the day on 10/26 (a Friday) from being in PW44.

So what happened? My darn car went into production 10/30 (the following Wednesday!) and as of today is in the body shop, with expected completion 11/8 (tomorrow, Thursday). Now I don't know whether the fact that it's being completed towards the end of PW45 makes it a PW45 car, or a PW44 as it was listed as "production started" last week?

If my car is a PW44 and the new nav comes out beginning PW45 I don't know what I'll do.

[SamS]

Don't get too upset, yet. We still don't know for sure that the F30 even gets it.

[DJHakim]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yep, that is definitely the new Nav shown on the BYO website for the standard 3er. You can tell by the 3D style "cursor" and fade-away left side menu.

I did some quick BYO for some cars that are definitely NOT going to get the new Nav (i.e. X5, M5, etc) and they still show the old Nav. Then I did some that just got the new Nav (i.e. 650i), and they do indeed show the updated version.

I still stand by my theory from one month ago. Doesn't matter to me either way at this point, I've got an AH3 on order.

It is in the dash-view of th CG build image, but the current/old nav is shown in the image of the nav system when you hover over the Navigation option below.

[mark.L]

Is the new Nav system listed as "S609A Navigation System Professional"?

[shawnsheridan]

Originally Posted by mark.L

Is the new Nav system listed as "S609A Navigation System Professional"?

On the F10, yes. It does not have a new Option Code.

[mark.L]

Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

On the F10, yes. It does not have a new Option Code.

I see it listed on a US F30 build sheet.

[dzaborn]

If this indeed is the case, is it unreasonable for me to request that my car be reordered even though it is already nearing the end of production. My CA knew from the very beginning that I was wating on the new Nav (I waiting nearly 10 weeks). He has been great, but it is frustrating that the dealer has had no way to find out anything definitive from NA on the issue and left it's customers relying on rumor and forum posts in making a decision on their purchase.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mark.L

I see it listed on a US F30 build sheet.

The code for the new Nav is the same as the old Nav.

Originally Posted by dzaborn

If this indeed is the case, is it unreasonable for me to request that my car be reordered even though it is already nearing the end of production. My CA knew from the very beginning that I was wating on the new Nav (I waiting nearly 10 weeks). He has been great, but it is frustrating that the dealer has had no way to find out anything definitive from NA on the issue and left it's customers relying on rumor and forum posts in making a decision on their purchase.

That's between you and your CA. Like I said earlier, no need to get worked up, yet. If any PW45+ F30 is getting it, it's literally still on the production line. So everyone has to wait. I personally think the chances are <10%.

Or you could do what I did. Cancel your order for the F30, and get the ActiveHybrid 3 for only ~$1K more than a 335i

[claykin]

Originally Posted by EnerJi

I'm also going to be upset. I delayed my order "just in case," finally ordering on 10/26 because a) everyone (including my CA) seemed to be confidently predicting that the US F30 would not be getting the new Nav this model year, and b) I was scheduled for PW46, with a possible bump-up to PW45, which would still meet the rumored start date for the new nav. In addition, based on the research I had done to that point, I was fairly confident that the logistics would prevent an order entered late in the day on 10/26 (a Friday) from being in PW44.

So what happened? My darn car went into production 10/30 (the following Wednesday!) and as of today is in the body shop, with expected completion 11/8 (tomorrow, Thursday). Now I don't know whether the fact that it's being completed towards the end of PW45 makes it a PW45 car, or a PW44 as it was listed as "production started" last week?

If my car is a PW44 and the new nav comes out beginning PW45 I don't know what I'll do.

Ask CA to check his system. Will show PW. If its still listed as PW45 then you are OK. Cars that entered the body shop this week should all be November builds (PW45+).

[claykin]

I put my VIN into the www.bmwvin.com decoder and it came with 11/8/2012 production date. Nav system is listed as S609A "Navigation System Professional".

This website seems fairly accurate. It has all my options listed correctly.

Anyone else?

[mark.L]

Originally Posted by claykin

I put my VIN into the www.bmwvin.com decoder and it came with 11/8/2012 production date. Nav system is listed as S609A "Navigation System Professional".

This website seems fairly accurate. It has all my options listed correctly.

Anyone else?

That's what I saw listed as well, but is that the new nav system?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mark.L

That's what I saw listed as well, but is that the new nav system?

Again, the new Nav has the same option code as the old Nav. There is no way to tell at this point.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by mark.L

That's what I saw listed as well, but is that the new nav system?

I'd be interested in learning from someone with a pre PW45 car to see what comes up.

BMW AG has referred to the new Nav system as Navigation Professional. However, I won't get my hopes up too much...yet!

[claykin]

Originally Posted by SamS

Again, the new Nav has the same option code as the old Nav. There is no way to tell at this point.

Do you have your VIN? If so, visit www.bmwvin.com and lets see what your car says for Navigation. We know for sure the AH3 gets the new Nav.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by claykin

I'd be interested in learning from someone with a pre PW45 car to see what comes up.

BMW AG has referred to the new Nav system as Navigation Professional. However, I won't get my hopes up too much...yet!

It's been called Navigation Professional since at least 2009.

Originally Posted by claykin

Do you have your VIN? If so, visit www.bmwvin.com and lets see what your car says for Navigation. We know for sure the AH3 gets the new Nav.

I don't have my VIN, yet. Should be any day now. But my vehicle inquiry report from my production number just lists option code 609 - Navigation system, under ZTP Technology Package.

[mark.L]

Originally Posted by claykin

I'd be interested in learning from someone with a pre PW45 car to see what comes up.

BMW AG has referred to the new Nav system as Navigation Professional. However, I won't get my hopes up too much...yet!

I ran a VIN inquiry report on bmwvin.com for an F30 335 produced in Jan '12 and it also lists the same S609A Navigation Professional System.

[claykin]

I just ran my 2010 E90 and yes, it also lists S609A Navigation Professional. And I have the old combox with no BMW apps, etc...

[mark.L]

I highly doubt they'll be upgrading the navigation system in the middle of a model year. Even if they did or are upgrading from PW45 onwards, at least the dealers would have received an official word from BMWNA by now.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by mark.L

I highly doubt they'll be upgrading the navigation system in the middle of a model year. Even if they did or are upgrading from PW45 onwards, at least the dealers would have received an official word from BMWNA by now.

That is not always true. My CA who has worked for BMW for 10 years told me they have randomly sprung things on them a few times over the years. However, he does agree that the F30 Nav system is not changing for the US at this time. His opinion is based on the dealer training video he watched last month.

[mark.L]

Originally Posted by claykin

That is not always true. My CA who has worked for BMW for 10 years told me they have randomly sprung things on them a few times over the years. However, he does agree that the F30 Nav system is not changing for the US at this time. His opinion is based on the dealer training video he watched last month.

Mine is a PW45 build, so I certainly hope they spring it in all of a sudden again. Wouldn't mind that.