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      06-27-2012, 02:35 PM   #89
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anyone here know what's the difference between the msport suspension and sport suspension?
No difference.
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      06-27-2012, 02:41 PM   #90
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WHAT is up with all the Diesel bashing? All you 'd' haters are the exact reason why BMW is sending us over the boring Active Hybrid 3 and 5 instead of awesome cars like the new 330d or 535d.
It's a result of the lackluster choices we've been given here in the US. The 335d was a dud, not as fast as an F30 328i and no more efficient, plus auto only and the increased upfront and maintenance costs. It's cool, but sort of pointless.

I used to work in Germany and frequently drove various BMW diesels and the midline cars that were much more efficient, available with manuals and still able to hit 250 on the Autobahn were what made the most sense.

So far they aren't offering the 335d for the ROW, the 330d being the largest diesel, and the brilliant N47, of which there are various versions, including the one in the 525d that would be great in a US diesel.

I worked in Frankfurt from 2003-2007 and would have gladly bought a good diesel from the moment I returned. No one has offered a good choice in the US (VW continues to use a timing belt and requires a 40k mile belt change) and BMW continues to make bad decisions like the 335d and the Hybrid. Audi keeps threatening to offer diesels in each US model, including the A4, maybe they'll get it right.
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      06-27-2012, 02:47 PM   #91
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Go for the 328i and you could get fully loaded without cold weather for 50k + tax & license. I just checked with my sales guy in the states.
Personaly I'd rather go with completely base 335i rather than fully loaded M sport 328i
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      06-27-2012, 03:05 PM   #92
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i cant believe how expensive the 3 series has become.
2011 e90 328i MSRP = $34,600
2012 f30 328i MSRP = $34,900

2011 e90 335i MSRP = $42,050
2012 f30 335i MSRP = $42,400

Granted the the 13's are more due to the inlusion of more standard features, but the initial e90 to f30 increase was minimal... definitely worth the extra $300
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      06-27-2012, 03:10 PM   #93
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There no choice for manual transmission on the Msport pack xDrive. Why? Or am I over looking it
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      06-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #94
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i cant believe how expensive the 3 series has become.
+1. Having configured the car the way I want I cant believe it but I am seriously beginning to question if the Audi A6 is not a better value proposition at my price point of approx $52 grand . While I know the drives are night and day, you cant beat the options Audi is throwing in at the price.
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      06-27-2012, 03:34 PM   #95
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No difference.
What about between M Sport and Adaptive M? As if this weren't confusing enough.
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      06-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #96
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Checking this w/ my head office contact in Canada ...
Just checked w/ head office in Canada - new iDrive is definitely (100%) not going to be released on MY2013 F30s other than AH3. BMW (as w/ most smart organizations) hold off on rolling out new-news all at once. This way they can maintain steady customer interest (as sales would slowly die off if they launched w/ all models and options in year 1 - ie. launch base F30, M Sport, M3, Coupe, Wagon, new iDrive, 335M, 335is, 340i, etc). What would sales figures look like for the next 5 years of the products lifecycle? This way there is constant flow of new enhancements and value add being funnelled into the marketing engine.

I personally would like to get the most bang for my buck and get a model early in its lifecycle (year 1 is usually buggy, but year 2 most bugs worked out) and your car still looks like the new 2017 model 5 years from now)... as opposed to buying the decked out, fully updated, fastest version of a soon to be obsolete model the year before the new gen version is launched.

Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
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+1. Having configured the car the way I want I cant believe it but I am seriously beginning to question if the Audi A6 is not a better value proposition at my price point of approx $52 grand . While I know the drives are night and day, you cant beat the options Audi is throwing in at the price.
A6 with S Sport and Bose is starting at 56k once you get some goodies you are over 60k a very similar optioned out F30 M Sport is about 54k
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      06-27-2012, 04:34 PM   #99
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A6 with S Sport and Bose is starting at 56k once you get some goodies you are over 60k a very similar optioned out F30 M Sport is about 54k
Audi will offer the A6 2.0T Quattro + ZF 8spd AT from 2013 model year. A well equipped Premium Plus version will start under $50K. I suspect a similarly equipped F30 xDrive will cost about the same as this model.

The A6 2.0T will of course be slower, but it's also a better car in many other areas. The A6 is also supposed to be sportier than the 5er.

My E90 328i is very lightly equipped M-sport model. If I build a F30 M-sport with similar option content, it comes out to be ~$4K more. Of course the F30 has some of the things that my 328i is missing, most notably iDrive and basic Bluetooth. But still, it seems you do pay quite a bit for the extra interior room + improved power and efficiency.
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      06-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #100
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A little confused...getting navigation as a standalone option on bmwconfig.com allows me to just pay for Navigation, and enhanced bluetooth/USB comes with it at no extra charge. The BMWUSA site is trying to force me to get the Enhanced Bluetooth/USB for $650 which I wouldn't want to pay extra for. Does anyone know if you have to pay for Enhanced Bluetooth/USB if you just want Nav as a standalone option?
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      06-27-2012, 04:54 PM   #101
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A little confused...getting navigation as a standalone option on bmwconfig.com allows me to just pay for Navigation, and enhanced bluetooth/USB comes with it at no extra charge. The BMWUSA site is trying to force me to get the Enhanced Bluetooth/USB for $650 which I wouldn't want to pay extra for. Does anyone know if you have to pay for Enhanced Bluetooth/USB if you just want Nav as a standalone option?
I just did it on bmwusa.com if you add it, yes it shows $650 but on the charge list on the right after you accept change it says $0
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      06-27-2012, 04:57 PM   #102
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anyone here know what's the difference between the msport suspension and sport suspension?
The car comes standard with passive dampers, just like the E90. If you get the sports suspension, it's the exact same but the car is a little lower.

Adaptive M suspension allows you to choose different levels of suspension stiffness in the different modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport) and I think it is adaptive within those modes like the E9x M3's EDC but I'm not entirely sure.
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      06-27-2012, 05:09 PM   #103
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Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
Are you saying that msport is 10mm lower than sport line. Do you know if it will be significantly stiffer or same as sportline.
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      06-27-2012, 05:13 PM   #104
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I tried building a M-Sport with red seats, and it changes to a sports line. Every option I selected changed my base car. I've lost interest.
I just built an Alpine white M Sport with Coral red seats, no problem....
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      06-27-2012, 05:21 PM   #105
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The car comes standard with passive dampers, just like the E90. If you get the sports suspension, it's the exact same but the car is a little lower.

Adaptive M suspension allows you to choose different levels of suspension stiffness in the different modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport) and I think it is adaptive within those modes like the E9x M3's EDC but I'm not entirely sure.
Drop is the same (confirmed w/ head office). Both are 10mm lower than stock suspension.
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      06-27-2012, 05:35 PM   #106
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Personaly I'd rather go with completely base 335i rather than fully loaded M sport 328i
Of course. But it's best to look at 335 as an option, like everything else, instead of as a different car. If $$ is the issue your can make better trade offs than downsizing to a 328...
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      06-27-2012, 05:35 PM   #107
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I tried building a M-Sport Alpine White with Coral red. Found out this combination is not possible. Hehe.
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Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
Are you saying that msport is 10mm lower than sport line. Do you know if it will be significantly stiffer or same as sportline.
M-sport and sport line has the same suspension.
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Why the hell is the hybrid based on the N55? I doubt it'll get any better mileage than the 328i
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