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      07-25-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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I am currently awaiting my 335 and have it on a lease. I was wondering what all can I add to it without voiding it or still being able to return it to the dealer. Such as wheels, exhausts, tunes, tints etc?
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I am currently awaiting my 335 and have it on a lease. I was wondering what all can I add to it without voiding it or still being able to return it to the dealer. Such as wheels, exhausts, tunes, tints etc?
Why would you want to spend money upgrading someone else's car?
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      07-25-2012, 02:53 PM   #3
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Well I'm not fully sure on keeping it or not. If I can sell it after won't I get more money out of it?
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Modded cars are worth less than stock cars unless you find a buyer that wants the exact mods you have on your car. Any mods you put on the car will void parts related to that mod. For example, tunes will void warranty to the engine, lowering the car will void suspension system.
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I'm not sure why people post "negative" comments.

Sure, you can definitely do any mods you'll like. However you'll have to return the car in "stock" form.

I leased my 335i and plan to buy it out afterwards or exchange it for a 340i. I did the following mods:

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None of these will void my warranty. As long as I put back the original 18" wheels and get rid of the Vinyl wrap, I'll be fine and fully able to return my car.

However I do plan on lowering my car. Now once I do this and a few weeks down the line I get an issue with my suspension or anything related to it, yes my warranty for that part is void. Once my lease is over, all I need to do is to remove the lowering springs and return the car on the original stock springs and height and I'll be fine.

I dount BMW would expect me to remove the tints?

It's pretty much common sense. Dont do a Tune or anything related and you'll be ok! Good luck!
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The post wasn't negative. I was just wondering why someone would get a temporary finance option and then spend money and effort "upgrading" something they have to turn back in. Why not just lease something you're completely satisfied with or at least purchase a car so that you don't have to worry about turning it in afterwards?

As far as lowering the sale price afterwards, 90% of the people who will be purchasing a modded car in the future won't care about the mods. And the dealer will have to lower the price anyway to move the car off the lot. Like another post said, only a select few purchasers would care about any "hidden" mods to a car. In addition, the dealer would have to place those mods under warranty in order to sell the car as a CPO, etc. Too risky for them. So, all that stuff would have to be removed.
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I'm not sure why people post "negative" comments.

Sure, you can definitely do any mods you'll like. However you'll have to return the car in "stock" form.

I leased my 335i and plan to buy it out afterwards or exchange it for a 340i. I did the following mods:

M Performance Grills
20" Stance Wheels
Tint
Vinyl Wrap
Red Calipers

None of these will void my warranty. As long as I put back the original 18" wheels and get rid of the Vinyl wrap, I'll be fine and fully able to return my car.

However I do plan on lowering my car. Now once I do this and a few weeks down the line I get an issue with my suspension or anything related to it, yes my warranty for that part is void. Once my lease is over, all I need to do is to remove the lowering springs and return the car on the original stock springs and height and I'll be fine.

I dount BMW would expect me to remove the tints?

It's pretty much common sense. Dont do a Tune or anything related and you'll be ok! Good luck!
Why did you lease it if you plan on buying the car? You always end up paying more for the car if you lease and the buy at the end VERSUS buying it from the beginning. That's a fact.
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Why did you lease it if you plan on buying the car? You always end up paying more for the car if you lease and the buy at the end VERSUS buying it from the beginning. That's a fact.
You can be protected from market conditions should the car depreciate far more than expected, or have more problems than expected, and it gives you an out if need be. BMW also has very attractive lease rates, and for some business owners you get additional tax benefits leasing vs. buying.

You can also beat up a bit on a lease and not lose any value on it....knicks/small dings/scratches/leather imperfections....no big deal.
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Why would you want to spend money upgrading someone else's car?
You end up selling your car in the long run anyway, what's the big deal? He can always take the parts off later (except the tune) and sell used and get about half of the purchase price back give or take.
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I am currently awaiting my 335 and have it on a lease. I was wondering what all can I add to it without voiding it or still being able to return it to the dealer. Such as wheels, exhausts, tunes, tints etc?
Every dealer is different. If you're willing to shell out the money for the dealer performance parts and upgraded wheels/tires, you're safe. More expensive and less bang for your buck, but no risk. Anyone else's and it's a crap shoot.

Tunes are one of the more risky mods to do compared to wheels, etc. If something fails dealerships frequently look to aftermarket parts to blame. Yes the Magnusson Moss law (in the US) is out there to protect consumers, you pretty much have to sue them and spend a ton of money and piss off your dealer to pull it off.

Tires are the least risky, wheels a little more risk especially if they're different size (they could try to blame suspension issues on it for example), exhaust would be next especially if you got rid of catalytic converters, and then the tune would be the most risky. Anything that adds power they'll use it as a scape goat for most engine failures, or drivetrain issues.

Each dealer is different however, and it starts with your service advisor. Some are friendlier than others.

The best thing you can do is wait for a tune that comes on a handheld with an OBDII connector so you can just untune and retune at the comfort of your own home before going in for service.

Many other tunes require you to uninstall/reinstall actual parts to be sure they dealer won't find it, or to go to say a dinan location to get flashed and reflashed which is a pain in the ass. I've even had dinan sponsored dealers try to charge me extra money for that when it's supposed to be free.
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Im leasing my 335i and also planing to do some mods... Wheels, Suspension, Tints and Dinan Stage 2 Tune, it will not void my warranty
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Im leasing my 335i and also planing to do some mods... Wheels, Suspension, Tints and Dinan Stage 2 Tune, it will not void my warranty
If you have an engine failure/problem and the dealer sees you have a Dinan tune, your warranty will not be honored. Period.
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Why did you lease it if you plan on buying the car? You always end up paying more for the car if you lease and the buy at the end VERSUS buying it from the beginning. That's a fact.
You can be protected from market conditions should the car depreciate far more than expected, or have more problems than expected, and it gives you an out if need be. BMW also has very attractive lease rates, and for some business owners you get additional tax benefits leasing vs. buying.

You can also beat up a bit on a lease and not lose any value on it....knicks/small dings/scratches/leather imperfections....no big deal.
Thanks for answering on my behalf!

Exactly what I was going to say!


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Let's not go into the lease vs buying debate and help the OP with his question.
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Im leasing my 335i and also planing to do some mods... Wheels, Suspension, Tints and Dinan Stage 2 Tune, it will not void my warranty
If you have an engine failure/problem and the dealer sees you have a Dinan tune, your warranty will not be honored. Period.
Dinan Tune is done by BMW and is covered by BMW warranty... Already ask my dealer
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Dinan Tune is done by BMW and is covered by BMW warranty... Already ask my dealer
What do you mean the Dinan Tune is done by BMW? You mean your dealer would install it and fully warranty it?

Dinan and BMW fell out of bed years ago, in part because BMW was coming out with their own line of performance parts. Dinan has their own separate warranty (which is no full guarantee) that they will honor if their tune causes something to fail, but I've already seen both BMW and Dinan refuse to cover an issue when both said it wasn't their fault.

It makes zero sense to me that BMW would sell a competing product. I find this hard to believe, this would be the only dealership in the US I've ever heard of recently to do what you're talking about.

Whoever told you this you might want to double check just to be 100%. I find the likelihood of what you say to be....well, not likely.
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What do you mean the Dinan Tune is done by BMW? You mean your dealer would install it and fully warranty it?

Dinan and BMW fell out of bed years ago, in part because BMW was coming out with their own line of performance parts. Dinan has their own separate warranty (which is no full guarantee) that they will honor if their tune causes something to fail, but I've already seen both BMW and Dinan refuse to cover an issue when both said it wasn't their fault.

It makes zero sense to me that BMW would sell a competing product. I find this hard to believe, this would be the only dealership in the US I've ever heard of recently to do what you're talking about.

Whoever told you this you might want to double check just to be 100%. I find the likelihood of what you say to be....well, not likely.
Dinan and BMW still work together. I got my M6 dinan tune at a dinan BMW dealer, there are such things and it's warrantied. They even tout it on their website, so by any legal measure, BMW is allowing this and has to have approved it.

"The installation of Dinan products will not affect your new or Certified Pre-Owned BMW warranty coverage. You are covered mile-to-mile, year-to-year, and bumper-to-bumper."



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Dinan and BMW still work together. I got my M6 dinan tune at a dinan BMW dealer, there are such things and it's warrantied. They even tout it on their website, so by any legal measure, BMW is allowing this and has to have approved it.

"The installation of Dinan products will not affect your new or Certified Pre-Owned BMW warranty coverage. You are covered mile-to-mile, year-to-year, and bumper-to-bumper."



http://www.habberstadbmwofbayshore.com/parts/index.htm
I'm floored. Almost every dealership has disassociated with Dinan. This is the only one I'm aware of that would do something like this. All 3 in Arizona would tell you to piss off.
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I'm floored. Almost every dealership has disassociated with Dinan. This is the only one I'm aware of that would do something like this. All 3 in Arizona would tell you to piss off.
...Yeah they are well known for it on LI, many people that I know have used them as have I and have never had an issue, so thankfully there is someone local that I can turn to for Dinan support. This dealer is also where I've ordered my new 335i from, so based on what BMW comes out with later in the year for their N55 performance tune, I'll either go with the BMW tune or another Dinan tune...
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