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      08-13-2012, 11:21 AM   #1
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How is Lumbar Support with no Premium Pkg?

Hi All

Trying to finalize my order and noticed you lose power lumber support if you don't get the premium package.

Is that the only difference in the front seats? Can anyone with no-premium speak to how the seats are with no lumbar?
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      08-13-2012, 12:05 PM   #2
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Hi All

Trying to finalize my order and noticed you lose power lumber support if you don't get the premium package.

Is that the only difference in the front seats? Can anyone with no-premium speak to how the seats are with no lumbar?
If you get the sport line or the m-sport, doesn't lumbar support come with the sport seats?
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      08-13-2012, 12:22 PM   #3
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Yeah, the website is confusing as hell:

Standard feature on 328i:
8-way power front seats; includes 2-way manual headrests, and driver memory with 2 presets for exterior mirror and seat positions


Sport Package adds sport seats which is described as:
8-way manual adjustable front sport seats with adjustable back bolsters, and 2-way headrests and thigh support.

Premium Package adds:
Power lumbar support in the front seats adds four ways power adjustment for the lower back.

So, if I order a 328i with Sport Package and no Premium Package, I should expect:
Lose power adjustments
Lose driver memory
No lumbar adjustment


Can anyone with Sport Package and no Premium Package verify?
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      08-13-2012, 12:50 PM   #4
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If you get the sport line or the m-sport, doesn't lumbar support come with the sport seats?
I don't think so, the ordering guide lists "488 Lumbar Support" under the Premium Package only, there are no notes that mention that 488 is added with the Sport of M Sport.

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Yeah, the website is confusing as hell:

Standard feature on 328i:
8-way power front seats; includes 2-way manual headrests, and driver memory with 2 presets for exterior mirror and seat positions


Sport Package adds sport seats which is described as:
8-way manual adjustable front sport seats with adjustable back bolsters, and 2-way headrests and thigh support.

Premium Package adds:
Power lumbar support in the front seats adds four ways power adjustment for the lower back.

So, if I order a 328i with Sport Package and no Premium Package, I should expect:
Lose power adjustments
Lose driver memory
No lumbar adjustment


Can anyone with Sport Package and no Premium Package verify?
There is no indication on the ordering guide that "459 Power front seats with driver seat memory" is deleted with the Sport or M Sport package. It seems pretty clear on the ordering guide that 459 Lumbar Support is only available with the Premium Package. Link below:
Link to 2013 F30 Ordering Guide
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From the F30 Standard and Optional Equipment Manual...

Sport Line
(not available with Luxury Line, Modern Line or M Sport Line) 328i 328i xDrive 335i 335i xDrive ActiveHybrid 3

High-gloss black design trim on front and rear bumpers,
air intakes, 8 kidney grille slats, and exhaust pipe tips

High-gloss black B-pillar

Double Spoke (Style 397) 18 x 8.0 light alloy wheels
and 225/45 run-flat1 performance tires or all-season tires

10-way power front sport seats; includes 2-way power-adjustable
side bolsters, 2-way manual headrests and thigh support; driver
memory for exterior mirror and seat positions


3-spoke leather-wrapped multi-function sport steering wheel
with controls for audio system, cruise control, and Bluetooth
wireless communication for hands-free mobile phone4;
optional Sport Automatic transmission includes steering
wheel-mounted paddle shifters

Black Leatherette upholstery with Red highlight

Dakota Leather upholstery with Red or Black highlight (Optional)

Anthracite headliner

Sport suspension calibration

Sport Line-specific door-sill finishers, interior trims and color motif

Signature key fob in distinctive black with red trim

Increased top-speed limiter (requires performance tires)

Black mirror caps

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leather sport seats without lumbar are awesome.
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leather sport seats without lumbar are awesome.
So, like MINI, the seats are not "devoid" of lumbar support. They just lack adjustable lumbar support.

Gotcha. In a Corvette, for instance, when you don't get the adjustable lumbar feature, you get NO lumbar support. It's like sitting on an ironing board.

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Can anyone with no-premium speak to how the seats are with no lumbar?
Two weeks from today, I'll get mine.
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Just a comment on power-adjustable lumbar support - Went without it on a 335i w/ sport seats, then with it on a M3 w/ sport seats, and would never go back to not having it. The fact that you can change it up is very very useful, and the movable area is huge.

I was quite surprised how adjustable it is. It literally moves half a foot up/down and the in/out adjustment is cushy and significant.
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Just a comment on power-adjustable lumbar support - Went without it on a 335i w/ sport seats, then with it on a M3 w/ sport seats, and would never go back to not having it. The fact that you can change it up is very very useful, and the movable area is huge.

I was quite surprised how adjustable it is. It literally moves half a foot up/down and the in/out adjustment is cushy and significant.
So, how can the M-Sport have 10-way adjustable seats with no lumbar adjustment? What's the adjustment on the non-sport seats? Like 6-way? I just find that odd. I thought all sport seat options were "premium. For example, you can get the premium stereo (H/K) without getting the premium package. So, in a sense, getting 10-way adjustable sport seats is a premium over the regular seats. So, why is lumbar so special? I mean this is ridiculous.
I think eventually with all these a la carts, "This package has this and part of that but not that. But you can get this separately, but not unless you have this. But not if it is a 2012 blah blah blah" BMW will stop and pull themselves out of the rabbit hole and start offering things that make better sense.
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I think the thing to remember is that the sports seats DO have pretty aggressive lumbar support. What they don't have is adjustable lumbar support. It's too bad they couldn't do a manual adjustment and power 4-way for the premium package.

I sat in a sport seat this morning and retracted the lumbar all the way into the seat back and found it uncomfortable. In other words, ALL lumbar support was gone at that point. I'm hoping the non-adjustable models have more support that the adjustable do with it completely deflated.
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So, how can the M-Sport have 10-way adjustable seats with no lumbar adjustment? What's the adjustment on the non-sport seats? Like 6-way? I just find that odd.
Standard power seats are 8-way (forward/back, up/down, seat tilt forward/backward, backrest tilt forward/backward). Sport/M-sport adds adjustable thigh bolsters for 10-ways total, without lumbar.
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Did anyone ever think of retrofitting better power seats? I bought dealers car with all fancy options like head up display, but this idiots didn't put power seats there. And my biggest pain is my girlfriend who uses my car quite often and memory option would be very useful for us (we used to it since E93).

I know that retrofitting seats themselves is not a big deal - but programming it to work and adjust according to key I use (auto-adjust depending on profile feature). Any ideas?
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      02-07-2013, 04:09 PM   #14
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Sport Leather /w no Lumbar here and I hate it. I still can't find a perfect position to save into the seat memory as I adjust it almost everyday. Lumbar really helps straighten me out. Should of went Premium!
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