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      09-04-2012, 06:19 AM   #1
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330D correct torque figure?

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Currently have f10 520d and seriously thinking of a 330D in new year as think it may be more entertaining.
While researching the car I have noticed that BMW quote the torque figure as 500 nm on some material and 560 nm on others.
Anybody know what the correct figure is?
It is 560 in the 5 series but I was wondering if BMW were restricting it in the 3 so as not to make it too quick?
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      09-04-2012, 06:30 AM   #2
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i've only ever seen it quoted as:

Max output (kW/hp/rpm) 190/258/4000

Max torque (Nm/rpm) 560/2000-2750 (413 ftlbs)

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      09-04-2012, 07:13 AM   #3
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It is 560 in the 5 series but I was wondering if BMW were restricting it in the 3 so as not to make it too quick?
I thought the F10 530d had 540Nm against 560Nm in the F30 330D ?
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      09-04-2012, 08:16 AM   #4
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Yep, according to their website, the F30 3 series has more torque than the five.
Anyway, that torque wouldn't make it "too quick" as its still less than the E90 335d.
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      09-04-2012, 08:37 AM   #5
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On the Irish website(BMW.ie) it is down as 500nm.
Must be a typo?
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      09-04-2012, 09:14 AM   #6
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There is a link in this thread to a brochure you can download:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738486

that also says 560 NM.


The websites are often wrong.
I noticed when the F30 M Sport came out it showed the 0-62 of a 335i as 5.9 (same as the 328i). It is now shown correctly as 5.5.

I’ve also emailed them in the past about incorrect tyre sizes shown for the E90 330d M Sport.
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      09-04-2012, 09:44 AM   #7
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Isn't the 330D engine new? TwinPower Turbo - twin scroll single turbo?
Old 530D is the single turbo right? Whereas 535D is Twin Turbo.
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      09-04-2012, 10:10 AM   #8
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Isn't the 330D engine new? TwinPower Turbo - twin scroll single turbo?
Old 530D is the single turbo right? Whereas 535D is Twin Turbo.
No the 330d is a single turbo so called "Twin Power" and not two turbos. Its BMW's latest speak for their single turbo powered petrol and diesel engines.

From what I can see it’s not a brand new engine but the same aluminium N57 engine that was fitted to the E9X LCI models, albeit fettled with to give more power and torque.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57

Yes, the 535d and 335d has two turbos.
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      09-04-2012, 10:16 AM   #9
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The current engine listed on the car configurator on the BMW UK website is the same for the current 530D GT, X3 30D, 730D and 330D.

The 530D is listed as having 20 fewer NM of torque but I'm sure it's still the same engine code (N57D30O1) and so could just be a typo?

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      09-04-2012, 10:20 AM   #10
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No the 330d is a single turbo so called "Twin Power" and not two turbos. Its BMW's latest speak for their single turbo powered petrol and diesel engines.

From what I can see itís not a brand new engine but the same aluminium N57 engine that was fitted to the E9X LCI models, albeit fettled with to give more power and torque.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57

Yes, the 535d and 335d has two turbos.
Yeah, he didn't actually say twin turbo, he said twin scroll turbo Besides that, you're correct that the N57 is the platform for ALL 6 cylinder diesel engined BMWs at the moment. It's in single, twin scroll variant in the 30Ds, a twin turbo state in the 35Ds and 40Ds and Tri-Turbo setup in the 50Ds.
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No the 330d is a single turbo so called "Twin Power" and not two turbos. Its BMW's latest speak for their single turbo powered petrol and diesel engines.
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Yeah, he didn't actually say twin turbo, he said twin scroll turbo Besides that, you're correct that the N57 is the platform for ALL 6 cylinder diesel engined BMWs at the moment. It's in single, twin scroll variant in the 30Ds, a twin turbo state in the 35Ds and 40Ds and Tri-Turbo setup in the 50Ds.
Sort of what I said but definitely meant.

One turbo and two scrolls as opposed to two turbos. Much like the N54 in my 1M as opposed to the N55 in the M135i.

I wonder if we will not see a 335d but an M340d instead with Tri turbo.
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      09-04-2012, 12:49 PM   #12
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Not according to BMW, but who knows ... they're bound to sell a tonne of the 30D so they may buckle and release a diesel M version
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Sort of what I said but definitely meant.

One turbo and two scrolls as opposed to two turbos. Much like the N54 in my 1M as opposed to the N55 in the M135i.
330d N57N engine still has a single turbo with variable vane geometry, (Part No. 11657823270) same design as the turbo of the N57 engine in the LCI E90. Diesel engines are not using a twin scroll turbo, that is the petrol engine turbo.

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330d N57N engine still has a single turbo with variable vane geometry, (Part No. 11657823270) same design as the turbo of the N57 engine in the LCI E90. Diesel engines are not using a twin scroll turbo, that is the petrol engine turbo.

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What's with the TwinPower then I wonder?
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This is what BMW say in their technology guide
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The combination of tailor-made charging technology with the BMW High Precision Injection and "VALVETRONIC" (Otto engines) or the 3rd generation (diesel) common rail direct ignition is called BMW TwinPower Turbo technology. It enables a unique combination of efficiency and dynamics
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^^^

That's about it.

So a bit of "smoke and mirrors" by BMW, enabling them to use the 'TwinPower' name on all engines.

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ahaha, so marketing bobbins!
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Yep, according to their website, the F30 3 series has more torque than the five.
Anyway, that torque wouldn't make it "too quick" as its still less than the E90 335d.
The new 330D is QUICKER than the old 335D thats a fact.
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The new 330D is QUICKER than the old 335D thats a fact.
Not quicker than a 535d though.....
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New 535D ...
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Not quicker than a 535d though.....
You mean 0-60? So the 330D does it in 5.6, the 535D does it in 5.5. One tenth of a second. And that tenth of a second will cost you £11k.

And I think, in reality, driver ability will have more influence than engine performance (when it comes to things this close).

5ers are driven by fat arses - so the kerb weight will be more as well.
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[quote=TMP;12635893]Not quicker than a 535d though.....[/QUOTE check the 0-60 times, I have the 35D engine in mine, it is quick but the new 330D is onlyOne Tenth different and thats nothing.The handling alone will cover that and more on anything but a straight line.
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