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      09-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #133
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Condolences to all involved.

The lesson to learn here is NOT to immediately place blame. The lesson is that when you're behind the wheel, YOU - the driver, are responsible for your own well being.

Assertions based on entitlement - ie it's the other guy's fault for cutting him off are ill conceived. You must always be sure to have a "plan B" when you're driving be it in a parking lot, on the highway or on track.

You must always assume that the other drivers sharing the road with you might pull out in front of you. If that were to happen, you better be prepared to take evasive action. I personally dial back my speed whenever I'm overtaking another vehicle so that I'm better equipped to handle something such as this. As mentioned above, if you are at speed, physics works against you if you need to make an abrupt change of direction. It's wholly irrelevant that I'm not in the wrong to be passing a slower vehicle. Arguments of who was "right" and who was "wrong" are of little meaning if you're dead.

None of us here have firsthand knowledge of what happened. So, none of us have the right to draw any conclusions or place any blame. I personally feel that posting this is a valuable tool to help educate those who don't fully understand the potential consequences one can face regardless of what, where or how they are driving. Motor vehicles are dangerous. They must be treated with respect at all times.
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      09-25-2012, 11:55 AM   #135
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Condolences to all involved.

The lesson to learn here is NOT to immediately place blame. The lesson is that when you're behind the wheel, YOU - the driver, are responsible for your own well being.

Assertions based on entitlement - ie it's the other guy's fault for cutting him off are ill conceived. You must always be sure to have a "plan B" when you're driving be it in a parking lot, on the highway or on track.

You must always assume that the other drivers sharing the road with you might pull out in front of you. If that were to happen, you better be prepared to take evasive action. I personally dial back my speed whenever I'm overtaking another vehicle so that I'm better equipped to handle something such as this. As mentioned above, if you are at speed, physics works against you if you need to make an abrupt change of direction. It's wholly irrelevant that I'm not in the wrong to be passing a slower vehicle. Arguments of who was "right" and who was "wrong" are of little meaning if you're dead.

None of us here have firsthand knowledge of what happened. So, none of us have the right to draw any conclusions or place any blame. I personally feel that posting this is a valuable tool to help educate those who don't fully understand the potential consequences one can face regardless of what, where or how they are driving. Motor vehicles are dangerous. They must be treated with respect at all times.


I agree with your post on all accounts ! Thanks for writing those clear and objective words. This is the reality. Everyone one is at fault, starting with ourselves first !

I am learning myself. This thread is the reality of things, not the joyful pink image we have drawn for ourselves.
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      09-25-2012, 12:00 PM   #136
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Prayers or out to the family. That is really tragic.
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      09-25-2012, 09:11 PM   #137
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How can a hybrid test on the autobahn can be "highly negligent and reckless"?
The fact is, that there are safer closed courses where this could have been conducted at no risk to the public.
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      09-26-2012, 01:04 AM   #138
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The fact is, that there are safer closed courses where this could have been conducted at no risk to the public.
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Every single day people enjoy to drive fast on the Autobahn. Only cause this happened to be a BMW test driver who ended up in this forum doesn't make it a very unique incident that only occurs during "testing". This happens a couple times a year and you guys make such a big deal about it. With YOU i mean everyone not from Germany or at least whoever hasn't driven on the Autobahn. You guys make it sound very wrong cause you have to idea of how it works over there. With all due respect....

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      09-26-2012, 01:34 AM   #139
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When highways are shared with high speed cars, slower cars and large semi-trucks then you are always going to get fatalities. Like I said earlier, at speed and someone changes lanes on you the driver becomes the passenger and there not much you can do.

Just watch Formula one cars & bikes, when they let go its just a matter of holding on, the trouble is there is no sand traps on the hwy only gaurdrails.
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      09-26-2012, 02:05 AM   #140
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Wow that airbag is very disturbing.

Sorry to the family & friends.
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Trucks are the worst on the highway, i am always watching them closely and ready to honk when passing.

At least in civilized countries they tend to stay on the left, here in China they are all over the place. Driving on the highway is like a slalom, that and other drivers passing on the right, and the emergency lane.
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      09-26-2012, 01:45 PM   #142
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RIP to the driver. This is a very disturbing crash to look at. Drive safe everyone...

To the poster above, I know what you mean. Trucks in other countries are INCREDIBLY careless. I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for my Dad's evasive actions on the night that my family was supposed to fly over to the United States. A large truck ran a red light at an intersection and if my dad hadn't swerved we would’ve went straight into the side of the cargo "box" which would’ve taken the whole top of the car off....

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Every single day people enjoy to drive fast on the Autobahn. Only cause this happened to be a BMW test driver who ended up in this forum doesn't make it a very unique incident that only occurs during "testing". This happens a couple times a year and you guys make such a big deal about it. With YOU i mean everyone not from Germany or at least whoever hasn't driven on the Autobahn. You guys make it sound very wrong cause you have to idea of how it works over there. With all due respect....

God Bless America

Your meaning is not very clear. I'm not "anti-Autobahn" if that's what you're getting at. It's actually my American sensibility that believes in the freedom to have an outlet like the Autobahn to drive without limit. But that type of freedom is a personal choice with personal risks. Driver beware.

My contention is that conducting a company-sanctioned test that could harm the public at large when there are other safer options, is irresponsible of BMW.
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      09-26-2012, 02:10 PM   #144
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I think you're misinterpreting the word test.

This isn't some kind of test about "can the car go that fast safely" because all of that testing IS done on private test tracks. This will have been something like "do you get wind noise of the windscreen wipers?" or "is there much vibration in the cabin at speed on a real road, not a race track?".

What happened here was a fatal motoring incident like any other. One person made a colossal fuck up and someone died. This guy didn't die because he worked for BMW or because he was "testing" something on the car. He died because a lorry driver pulled out on him. He could have been a banker. Would that have been different?
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My contention is that conducting a company-sanctioned test that could harm the public at large when there are other safer options, is irresponsible of BMW.
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WTF? This guy was driving to work in a company car. Have a word with yourself
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OP have moral decency and remove this morbid post. A man died. Simply take this off.

The forum is for entertainment and education. Not for exhibiting the misfortune of a person who perished in an accident.

I have not elevated my knowledge of BMW cars from the photos. And frankly, seeing the wreck each time is insulting to the memory of the man who died.

Take this out.
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      09-26-2012, 08:20 PM   #147
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OP have moral decency and remove this morbid post. A man died. Simply take this off.

The forum is for entertainment and education. Not for exhibiting the misfortune of a person who perished in an accident.

I have not elevated my knowledge of BMW cars from the photos. And frankly, seeing the wreck each time is insulting to the memory of the man who died.

Take this out.
Your opinion - I beg to differ. If these pics even get one person to slow down or decide to make one less risky move.... It could save a life. The pics clearly demonstrate that our cars and we are not invincible. There are no pictures of death... Simply a pic of an accident. I'm afraid your opinion does not trump all others.
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WTF? This guy was driving to work in a company car. Have a word with yourself
Read the original post...

"The driver was involved in a series of high-speed test for the hybrid 3er, with the car passing some trucks at a high rate of speed."
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Read the original post...

"The driver was involved in a series of high-speed test for the hybrid 3er, with the car passing some trucks at a high rate of speed."
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Read further, the initial info was incorrectly translated. It was not a test driver. It was an employee driving a company car. The thread should probably be updated with the correction.
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Your opinion - I beg to differ. If these pics even get one person to slow down or decide to make one less risky move.... It could save a life. The pics clearly demonstrate that our cars and we are not invincible. There are no pictures of death... Simply a pic of an accident. I'm afraid your opinion does not trump all others.
I agree, its not a gore picture where its showing the person that died.
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Read further, the initial info was incorrectly translated. It was not a test driver. It was an employee driving a company car. The thread should probably be updated with the correction.

Please show me the link. I don't see what you're referencing. What you're claiming would make a big difference.

No matter how you cut it, it's a horrible tragedy to the driver and his family and also a tough moment for the image of BMW's new 3-er.

I'm of the mind that these pictures should not have been so extensively posted in the news.
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Please show me the link. I don't see what you're referencing. What you're claiming would make a big difference.

No matter how you cut it, it's a horrible tragedy to the driver and his family and also a tough moment for the image of BMW's new 3-er.

I'm of the mind that these pictures should not have been so extensively posted in the news.
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Thank you. This makes this even sadder.
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They cut you off on purpose...slow drivers see a car flying in the left lane and they move in to "pass" a car in front of them, but they only do it at about 5mph faster than the car they are passing. A lot of times you are right on their rear and they just move over into your lane. There is a lot of jealousy because you drive nicer faster car....
My condolences go out to the drivers family, but this comment above Is one of the most DUMBASS comments I've read In a long time..
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