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      09-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
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On this episode of Head 2 Head, Motor Trend's Jonny Lieberman pits the all-new Cadillac ATS against the car it was built to compete with, the dominating BMW 328i. Jonny uses test data to illustrate how similar these two cars are and then takes them out for a true drivers test on one of his favorite California back roads.

Both cars are front-engine, rear-drive sports sedans that are within an inch of one other in wheelbase, length, width, and height. The test cars are powered by a 2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 mated to a six-speed manual, however, the ATS has more grunt with 272 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque. Even so, the 328i beat the ATS in the 0-60 mph test by 0.5 seconds thanks in part to the ATS’ gearing. Neither car has much of an advantage over the other, but then again, staged dynamic tests can only tell so much about a car.

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      09-26-2012, 04:26 PM   #2
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looks like Caddy put out a decent car (at least in the eyes of that guy.) I think it's god awful ugly, but I'm not into their recent design direction, or caddy as a rule.
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      09-26-2012, 05:23 PM   #3
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so I'm wondering if he'd recommend the auto ATS over the auto 328. Sounds like he would.
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      09-26-2012, 05:28 PM   #4
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I don't think Cadillac ever made a good car did they? In fact has the USA ever produced a good car?
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In fact has the USA ever produced a good car?
I traded a Benz in on my Amurrican car and am VERY happy with it (If Chrysler can still be considered that considering the Italian ownership.....). My first new car purchase (outside of two Wranglers) from the Big Three.

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Daimler Benz own both Mercedes and Chrysler don't they? And Jeep for that matter
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Oh wait, I forgot you broke the banks. Ze Germans had to sell Chrysler back to the Americans didn't they
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Oh wait, I forgot you broke the banks. Ze Germans had to sell Chrysler back to the Americans didn't they
that happened prior. Daimler bailed in 2007 I think? Then the collapse in 2008, the gov bought them then sold to Fiat. A mess, for sure. Good thing that they got a fresh start though....the new 300 is a great car (and you can get eurotrash Poltrano Frau leather in it )
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Man, Chrysler has been on a right merry-go-round Still can't make a decent car though

Looks like Fiat and VW own pretty much everyone this side of the pond now

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In fact has the USA ever produced a good car?
Yes, but in fairness just about 95% of the good American cars have come from Ford's EUROPEAN Division.
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so I'm wondering if he'd recommend the auto ATS over the auto 328. Sounds like he would.
I kinda got the impression an AT comparrison would've tipped it more in favor of BMW. He kept gushing about the BMW 8-speed.
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Jonny Lieberman is one of the few american auto-journo's worth listening to. I generally respect his opinion, and the ATS was the ONLY other car that I was considering. He's heaped praise on the 3 (and admitted he hasn't been a big BMW fan), and the ATS has been purpose-built to compete with - and "beat" - the 3. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I chose the one that felt better to me. Would love to drive 'em back-to-back!
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The V series have the same issue with either of their transmissions. Better luck next time.
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BMW doesn't make a good manual transmission? What the hell is motortrend smoking? I am pretty sure the 3 series is considered having some of the top manuals around. I must say the ATS is one of GM's smarter moves.
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Love to see Cadillac be able to effect it's horrible resale value.

A issue that is to hard to overlook or overcome.
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I have never seen the ATS and F30 side by side. I must give credit to Hooydonk, because he did a great job of making the car look smaller than it is (or at least compared to the ATS). The ATS is a nice looking car also, but it looks enormous compared to the F30 even though they are actually about the same size.

Also since when has BMW had the long held reputation for bad manual transmissions? I thought that was a recent thing and it was due to some sort of clutch thing that can be easily fixed?

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American automakers in general have really been stepping it up over the past few years.
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Why most pple hate Chrysler here? If anything they are trying and seems to be successful especially considering they were building luxury cars before. The ATS is their new sport premium line and seems to be doing ok.
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BMW doesn't make a good manual transmission? What the hell is motortrend smoking? I am pretty sure the 3 series is considered having some of the top manuals around. I must say the ATS is one of GM's smarter moves.
+1 to your whole post. I'm not sure about what his rationale could be when talking despairingly about the BMW manual transmission. Also, Cadillac has really come out with a great car. A world beater.

As for the comments above about whether or not the US has ever produced a good car. I offer up the following examples: Boss 302, the new Viper, and the new 300C. Of course, "good" is all subjective and requires an area to judge.
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This guy has to be the most vapid auto journalist ever. I feel dumber after watching that.
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