F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > 3 and 4 Series Ordering / Pricing / Order Tracking Forum (and European Delivery) > Anyone getting a f30 BELOW invoice?
Steve Thomas BMW
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-11-2012, 09:37 AM   #111
BavarianFanatic
Too much is never enough
 
Drives: Too Many
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SE PA

Posts: 1,738
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 328inGE View Post
I dont think youre going to see as much as a difference between the '12 and '13s as you normally would with 1 model year difference. The 12 was essentially only a 6-7 month model run, and I think you'll see that reflected in resale values. Also think about your warranty, both 12 and 13 model cars bought this year will have warranties until 2016. There will be a difference, but I don't think it will be significant.

I would be more worried that you can get a '13 for invoice. Not even 1 year of sales and BMW is already selling their hottest cars at invoice. That sounds more like GM, Ford, Chrysler, and that worries me when I think about resale. Where's the pricing going to be 2-3 yrs from now? Seems like invoice is the new MSRP, at least in the US that is.
Warranty is based on in service date, not model year. So yes, they'll both include the same warranty duration. No matter how you slice it, when you fast forward 4 or 5 years out, there will be a delta in value. Mid-year introductions/short model years generally don't have an impact.

Bear in mind the 3 Series is BMW's entry level line. There's no reason NOT to expect dealers to discount the cars substantially. More importantly, remember that you're only point of reference with regard to selling prices is these online forums which are an infinitesimally small sampling of overall sales data. Folks on forums tend to be rather well educated and equipped to negotiate deep discounts.

The great majority of new BMW sales are actually leases. The great majority of buyers don't have a clue how leasing works and thus are likely paying significantly more than you might imagine (or they even understand).
BavarianFanatic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-11-2012, 12:41 PM   #112
EnerJi
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: '13 BMW 335i M-Sport EB-II
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Miami Beach

Posts: 238
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 328inGE View Post
I dont think youre going to see as much as a difference between the '12 and '13s as you normally would with 1 model year difference. The 12 was essentially only a 6-7 month model run, and I think you'll see that reflected in resale values. Also think about your warranty, both 12 and 13 model cars bought this year will have warranties until 2016. There will be a difference, but I don't think it will be significant.
Your average buyer of used BMWs doesn't peruse forums such as this one. I find it unlikely that 3, 4, or more years from now many buyers will know that 2012 was a short model year that launched in calendar year 2012, etc. Four years from now a prospective buyer will see 2012 and 2013 models available for sale, and will consider the 2013 three years old and the 2012 model four years old. They will be willing to pay more for the 2013.
EnerJi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-11-2012, 01:53 PM   #113
BMWinGE
Captain
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Germany

Posts: 649
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post
Your average buyer of used BMWs doesn't peruse forums such as this one. I find it unlikely that 3, 4, or more years from now many buyers will know that 2012 was a short model year that launched in calendar year 2012, etc. Four years from now a prospective buyer will see 2012 and 2013 models available for sale, and will consider the 2013 three years old and the 2012 model four years old. They will be willing to pay more for the 2013.
I set my calendar for 2016 to check KBB I'm not saying there wont be a difference, just saying it may not be as significant as the usual 1 yr difference between models. No way to really know that far down the road, so this is all speculation.
BMWinGE is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-11-2012, 01:58 PM   #114
BMWinGE
Captain
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Germany

Posts: 649
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic View Post
Bear in mind the 3 Series is BMW's entry level line. There's no reason NOT to expect dealers to discount the cars substantially.
not following the logic on this one. i've always experienced the higher end models discount more than the lower spec models. please give some examples.
BMWinGE is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-13-2012, 10:08 AM   #115
Monaco
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2013 328i Sport
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Scottsdale

Posts: 44
iTrader: (0)

Couldn't make a deal happen on the 2012 (no BMW holiday cash combined with no real urgency on behalf of the dealer to move it), so I picked up a 2013 328i Sport instead. Doesn't have the technology package that the '12 did, but I like the look/feel of the sport better anyway. Only drawback thus far is that mine was one of the unfortunate cars to have been built without the USB/Bluetooth. Sure, it lowered the cost of the car by $750, but it's definitely odd to have to hold a phone to my ear when talking on the phone. C'mon - it's 2012 already!
Monaco is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-13-2012, 04:45 PM   #116
sharkfighter
Private First Class
 
sharkfighter's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Rocky Mtns.

Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaco View Post
Only drawback thus far is that mine was one of the unfortunate cars to have been built without the USB/Bluetooth. Sure, it lowered the cost of the car by $750, but it's definitely odd to have to hold a phone to my ear when talking on the phone. C'mon - it's 2012 already!
Are you sure Bluetooth/USB isn't standard for on an F30, I was told it was and BMW USA says it is. http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...and_specs.aspx
sharkfighter is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-13-2012, 04:47 PM   #117
Monaco
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2013 328i Sport
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Scottsdale

Posts: 44
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sharkfighter View Post
Are you sure Bluetooth/USB isn't standard for on an F30, I was told it was and BMW USA says it is. http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...and_specs.aspx
I got one of these - http://www.f30driver.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939023
Monaco is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-15-2012, 12:52 AM   #118
ES_TRADER
Colonel
 
Drives: 328i, 335i, M3, 535i, X5, 36M
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: OC

Posts: 2,565
iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2014 Ford Raptor  [0.00]
2012 328i E92  [5.00]
2013 X5  [0.00]
2013 335i F30  [4.00]
1990 Toyota Previa  [0.00]
1997 E36 M3  [5.00]
2011 E92 M3  [0.00]
2011 535i  [0.00]
If anyone in SoCal is still looking, pm me and I'll get u info on a sick deal.
ES_TRADER is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-15-2012, 12:29 PM   #119
azzurro
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2013 335i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Del Mar, CA

Posts: 398
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ES_TRADER View Post
If anyone in SoCal is still looking, pm me and I'll get u info on a sick deal.
ES TRADER,

Send me a PM if you know of any EB ll 335i's available in SoCal.
Thanks...
azzurro is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 09:08 AM   #120
uisyam
New Member
 
Drives: F30
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA

Posts: 19
iTrader: (0)

Post

OMG.

I just pulled the trigger yesterday. I ordered my 2013 328i sedan yesterday and I need you guys input!! Please tell me if I got a good deal or not.

Here's my configuration:

M sport Package
Estoril Blue
Technology Package
Heated front seat

MSRP came up to 45,395. With the 1000 holiday cash, 1500 USAA incentive and 1000 college graduate incentive in consideration. My out the door price was 43,743.

What's weird is that on my buyers order sheet, it states below

Cash price of vehicle 42379
rebate -2000
processing fee 399
title__tax 2652.28
total cash delivered price 43743

So the salesperson told me they don't do the college graduate incentive. The 2000 rebate includes 1000 holiday cash and 1000 USAA(shouldn't USAA be 1500?). I thought it's a good enough deal so I agreed to order it.

I would greatly appreciate all your opinion on this. THANKS!!
uisyam is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 10:10 AM   #121
SamS
Brigadier General
 
SamS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ActiveHybrid 3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,529
iTrader: (0)

First, USAA discount is only $1000 if you're using BMW FS for financing.

When you use USAA discount, they hide that in the "Cash Price of Vehicle" aka $42,379 in your case.

The Holiday Cash (and I assume college grad) is listed as "rebate" for $2000.

Dealers can be tricky like that. That's why you need to back into the price on your own, so you can make sure the final price they're charging you is what you expect.
__________________
SamS is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 11:48 AM   #122
uisyam
New Member
 
Drives: F30
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA

Posts: 19
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamS View Post
First, USAA discount is only $1000 if you're using BMW FS for financing.

When you use USAA discount, they hide that in the "Cash Price of Vehicle" aka $42,379 in your case.

The Holiday Cash (and I assume college grad) is listed as "rebate" for $2000.

Dealers can be tricky like that. That's why you need to back into the price on your own, so you can make sure the final price they're charging you is what you expect.
If that's the case my negociated price would be 43,379(42,379 cash price of the vehicle + 1000 USAA), which is roughly about 4% off from the MSRP. I see people mentioned here being able to beat the price down to close to the invoice then have them apply the incentives and rebate on top of it. So my concern is that my actual negociated price would be 43,379, which is about 1700 above the invoice. Did I just get a bad deal?

I asked them and they said the 1000 college grad incentive was not applied. That's another thing I feel weird about too. Since the incentive is listed on bmwusa.com, shouldn't all dealerships be providing the incentives state on their main site?

Thank you so much for the input!!
uisyam is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 12:33 PM   #123
SamS
Brigadier General
 
SamS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ActiveHybrid 3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,529
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by maysiu View Post
If that's the case my negociated price would be 43,379(42,379 cash price of the vehicle + 1000 USAA), which is roughly about 4% off from the MSRP. I see people mentioned here being able to beat the price down to close to the invoice then have them apply the incentives and rebate on top of it. So my concern is that my actual negociated price would be 43,379, which is about 1700 above the invoice. Did I just get a bad deal?

I asked them and they said the 1000 college grad incentive was not applied. That's another thing I feel weird about too. Since the incentive is listed on bmwusa.com, shouldn't all dealerships be providing the incentives state on their main site?

Thank you so much for the input!!

I haven't read too much about the T/C of the college grad incentive, so I'm not sure. Likely it should come right off, just like other rebates.

$1700 over invoice (before applicable discounts) is not great. Tell 'em you want another $1000 off that final price, and should be pretty good.
__________________
SamS is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 01:26 PM   #124
g2g8969
Private
 
Drives: bmw 328i
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Irvine, CA

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

There is for sure college grad discount. $1000 off, don't let your dealer try to manipulate your price. You'll save $20 a month or you can put in more options. Your out the door price before incentives seems very high. I would look around more
g2g8969 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 03:14 PM   #125
ianturner
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2013 335i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: DE

Posts: 287
iTrader: (0)

he can't go back and get a better deal, he already bought the car......
ianturner is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 03:39 PM   #126
EnerJi
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: '13 BMW 335i M-Sport EB-II
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Miami Beach

Posts: 238
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianturner View Post
he can't go back and get a better deal, he already bought the car......
Orders can be canceled, can they not?
EnerJi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 03:40 PM   #127
SamS
Brigadier General
 
SamS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ActiveHybrid 3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,529
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianturner View Post
he can't go back and get a better deal, he already bought the car......
Sounds like he ordered a car, not paid for it. Yet.
__________________
SamS is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 05:54 PM   #128
ianturner
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2013 335i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: DE

Posts: 287
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post
Orders can be canceled, can they not?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamS View Post
Sounds like he ordered a car, not paid for it. Yet.
reading comprehension > me

my bad
ianturner is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-18-2012, 11:44 PM   #129
uisyam
New Member
 
Drives: F30
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA

Posts: 19
iTrader: (0)

Thank you guys, for all the helpful responses!!

I ordered my car and put a $1000 for deposit.

So according to bmwconfig.com, my built's invoice should be 41,940.

As the cash price of vehicle on the order form is listed as 42,379, I would be 439 over invoice, which I think it's not too bad. Right???

I'm going to contact them and ask them for the college grad incentive which I'm qualified for. If they will honor it and give me back that 1000, I will proceed the order. What do you guys think about this idea? Or should I ask around for the nearby dealerships? The salesperson was really friendly tho. I would feel really bad if I end up having to cancel the order.

Thanks again everyone!! You guys are great.
uisyam is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-19-2012, 12:24 AM   #130
DarkTrigger
Professional
 
DarkTrigger's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i MPPK
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LB, SoCal

Posts: 973
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by maysiu View Post
Thank you guys, for all the helpful responses!!

I ordered my car and put a $1000 for deposit.

So according to bmwconfig.com, my built's invoice should be 41,940.

As the cash price of vehicle on the order form is listed as 42,379, I would be 439 over invoice, which I think it's not too bad. Right???

I'm going to contact them and ask them for the college grad incentive which I'm qualified for. If they will honor it and give me back that 1000, I will proceed the order. What do you guys think about this idea? Or should I ask around for the nearby dealerships? The salesperson was really friendly tho. I would feel really bad if I end up having to cancel the order.

Thanks again everyone!! You guys are great.
A fair deal is $500 over invoice. This means you'll have to pay the 180$ training and $400 MACO "fees" in addition though. (You'd have to negotiate really hard to not pay them).

Do the math for the financing bit. I got 1.59% for 60 mo financing through BofA and still got the $1,500 USAA rebate. This is a better deal than getting the $1,000 Holiday cash and $1,000 USAA rebate at a rate of 3.29%. This will be done when you actually purchase the car, don't get any of the "extras" when you are with the financing guy cuz it's all a rip off. And remember, the deposit is refundable always.

I'm not sure whether the college grad incentive is stackable. PM me if u got any questions, I did some hard nosed negotiating and contacted about 15 BMW dealerships in doing research.
DarkTrigger is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-19-2012, 12:43 AM   #131
bmrm396
Major
 
Drives: '14 F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: sD, CA

Posts: 1,333
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ES_TRADER View Post
If anyone in SoCal is still looking, pm me and I'll get u info on a sick deal.
Just sent ya a PM
__________________
Formerly addicted to e46fanatics
bmrm396 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-19-2012, 12:58 AM   #132
ES_TRADER
Colonel
 
Drives: 328i, 335i, M3, 535i, X5, 36M
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: OC

Posts: 2,565
iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2014 Ford Raptor  [0.00]
2012 328i E92  [5.00]
2013 X5  [0.00]
2013 335i F30  [4.00]
1990 Toyota Previa  [0.00]
1997 E36 M3  [5.00]
2011 E92 M3  [0.00]
2011 535i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmrm396
Quote:
Originally Posted by ES_TRADER View Post
If anyone in SoCal is still looking, pm me and I'll get u info on a sick deal.
Just sent ya a PM
Replied to pm
ES_TRADER is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:40 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST