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      10-07-2012, 11:01 PM   #23
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I'm not confused, I test drove both the 335i and the 328i automatics before I settled for my 328i and I like the 328i better, I don't know about the manuals but automatic is what I wanted since my other car is manual.
I love my 328 and the N20 but im confident the N55 will be noticeably faster.
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As far as BMW goes they need to seriously overhaul that engine, I drove it and it sucks big time compared to my 328i, the 335i makes alot of noise when you floor the gas pedal without much to show in way of get up and go unlike the 328i which rockets
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I love my 328 and the N20 but im confident the N55 will be noticeably faster.
It's probably faster being the flagship not considering the M3 if you time it but what I'm trying to say is it's not by much atleast not enough to justify the extra money, we're talking about 277 dyno horses in the 335i versus 240 dyno horses in the 328i not to mention the weight penalty of the inline six over the 4 banger. I can't remember the off the line acceleration because I drove off a dealership parking lot leisurely but what disappointed me about the 335i was its acceleration say between 100 km/h and 160 km/h, the 328i for sure appeared faster, more effortless and less noisy.
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It's probably faster being the flagship not considering the M3 if you time it but what I'm trying to say is it's not by much atleast not enough to justify the extra money, we're talking about 277 dyno horses in the 335i versus 240 dyno horses in the 328i not to mention the weight penalty of the inline six over the 4 banger. I can't remember the off the line acceleration because I drove off a dealership parking lot leisurely but what disappointed me about the 335i was its acceleration say between 100 km'h and 160 km/h, the 328i for sure appeared more effortless and less noisy.
your probably the only person that thinks that way.

Also, did you consider you get quite a few additional options included in the price difference? Im guessing not.

Still find it rather odd and funny that someone would call the 328 a rocket and think the 335 is slower.
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your probably the only person that thinks that way.

Also, did you consider you get quite a few additional options included in the price difference? Im guessing not.

Still find it rather odd and funny that someone would call the 328 a rocket and think the 335 is slower.
I almost feel embarrassed saying this but it's the honest truth from my experience, it could be that BMW over engineered the 328i knowing it would without a doubt outsell the 335i. I think most of the four bangers power and torque is accessible way down in the rev range compared to the 335i which is more spread out and needs to be revved hard, I heard someone say the 328i is power dense and I agree.
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I almost feel embarrassed saying this but it's the honest truth from my experience, it could be that BMW over engineered the 328i knowing it would without a doubt outsell the 335i. I think most of the four bangers power and torque is accessible way down in the rev range compared to the 335i which is more spread out and needs to be revved hard, I heard someone say the 328i is power dense and I agree.
I have a 328i and its very nice, but it's no N55.
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I almost feel embarrassed saying this but it's the honest truth from my experience, it could be that BMW over engineered the 328i knowing it would without a doubt outsell the 335i. I think most of the four bangers power and torque is accessible way down in the rev range compared to the 335i which is more spread out and needs to be revved hard, I heard someone say the 328i is power dense and I agree.
The 328 gets it's torque at 1250 rpm and the 335 gets it at 1300 rpm. There would be no discernible difference other than the 335 being rated at 40 lb. ft. more. I definitely noticed that the 335 was considerably more eager to GOOOO than the 328 in my test drive.

EDIT: also according to the dyno results posted here the 335 has 44 more horses than the 328. That is noticeable regardless of the 60lb. weight difference which isn't all that much!

Another EDIT: Also please don't think I am in any way bashing the N20! It's a great engine! Makes the 328 (at long last) fun to drive. But the 335 just has a little something extra.

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The 328 gets it's torque at 1250 rpm and the 335 gets it at 1300 rpm. There would be no discernible difference other than the 335 being rated at 40 lb. ft. more. I definitely noticed that the 335 was considerably more eager to GOOOO than the 328 in my test drive.
what about the efficiency? power and torque per litre in the 328i is 120 bhp/litre and 128 foot pounds/litre respectively while the heavier 335i is 92 bhp/litre and 94 foot pounds/litre
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what about the efficiency? power and torque per litre in the 328i is 120 bhp/litre and 128 foot pounds/litre respectively while the heavier 335i is 92 bhp/litre and 94 foot pounds/litre
I made a few edits above. Not bashing the N20 AT ALL, great engine and super efficient and all that you mentioned You just get a little something extra with the N55 that some of us are willing to pay for Oh and the sound of the inline 6

It's probably mostly that I came from the N54 equipped E92 and I really noticed the lag in the 328. Where if you came from a previous gen 328 before you would be overwhelmed by the power the N20 provides!
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what about the efficiency? power and torque per litre in the 328i is 120 bhp/litre and 128 foot pounds/litre respectively while the heavier 335i is 92 bhp/litre and 94 foot pounds/litre
That really means nothing. The N20 gets close to 40mpg on the highway, the N55 gets close to 36mpg on the highway. But the N20 is running 18psi of boost while the N55 is running like 11. Im glad you are enjoying the N20, but your reasoning why its faster than the N55 is poor and totally unsubstantiated.
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That really means nothing. The N20 gets close to 40mpg on the highway, the N55 gets close to 36mpg on the highway. But the N20 is running 18psi of boost while the N55 is running like 11. Im glad you are enjoying the N20, but your reasoning why its faster than the N55 is poor and totally unsubstantiated.
I'm going for a second... I really envy that you get to drive around in a 328 while you wait for your 335 to show up!
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I'm going for a second... I really envy that you get to drive around in a 328 while you wait for your 335 to show up!
thanks, I'll be honest dude, the 328 is really an amazing car. The fuel efficiceny from the N20 engine is incredible. i get over 500 miles on each tank. When i had my E90 with N54 engine i was getting maybe 350miles. The engine has great low end power but runs out of steam around 5000rpm.

Not going to lie, looking forward to getting back into the inline 6. I could happily live with the 328 for the next 3 years tho. I actually have not even driven the F30 335 yet lol. But im sure it will be nice. Only reservation is how it will handle with a little extra weight over the front wheels, doubt i will be able to tell the difference tho, especially in florida with our shitty str8 roads. And of course the steering wheel vibration issue, which im sure i will have again lol. As long as its no worse than it currently is i could live with it.

looking forward to doing a long review on the 2 cars.
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thanks, I'll be honest dude, the 328 is really an amazing car. The fuel efficiceny from the N20 engine is incredible. i get over 500 miles on each tank. When i had my E90 with N54 engine i was getting maybe 350miles. The engine has great low end power but runs out of steam around 5000rpm.

Not going to lie, looking forward to getting back into the inline 6. I could happily live with the 328 for the next 3 years tho. I actually have not even driven the F30 335 yet lol. But im sure it will be nice. Only reservation is how it will handle with a little extra weight over the front wheels, doubt i will be able to tell the difference tho, especially in florida with our shitty str8 roads. And of course the steering wheel vibration issue, which im sure i will have again lol. As long as its no worse than it currently is i could live with it.

looking forward to doing a long review on the 2 cars.
Nice, you'll probably be able to do a great review since you'll have lived with both for so long. I test drove a sport line 328 and immediately followed by a sport line 335. The extra power was noticeable off-the-line and like you I am in a land of stop lights and north-south, east-west roads lol. The extra weight was also noticeable but it just made it feel more substantial and serious of a car (totally subjective and emotional). The autoblog.com comparison summed it up best I think...

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The 328i is objectively superior to the 335i because it is significantly less expensive, more fuel efficient, better balanced, lighter and nearly as quick (BMW says the 335i 6MT will do 0-60 in 5.4 seconds while the 328i 6MT does it in 5.7 seconds). In an un-biased and non-emotional decree, most everyone should choose the four-cylinder 328i over the six-cylinder 335i.

But many of us are not most everyone.

We found ourselves growing increasingly attached to the 335i the more we drove it. The heavier sedan lacked the tossable agility of the innovative 328i, but there was emotional gratification with the traditional powerplant over the front axle, and its mass made the 335i feel more stable and substantial on the road. Most importantly, there was the daily bliss of hearing BMW's silky inline-six whirling up to redline while its linear torque forced us deep into the seatbacks.

We have yet to meet a four-cylinder that is able to consistently give us goose bumps – and therein seems to be the calling for the 335i.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/30/2...w-335i-review/
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what disappointed me about the 335i was its acceleration say between 100 km/h and 160 km/h, the 328i for sure appeared faster, more effortless and less noisy.
Again, I think you are confuse. The 335i is a rocket at highway speed, not too many cars can keep up with it.

On a side note, if BMW is going to redesign the N55 engine soon, they should really take a hard look at the S4's V6 engine, it puts the N55 to shame.
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I almost feel embarrassed saying this but it's the honest truth from my experience, it could be that BMW over engineered the 328i knowing it would without a doubt outsell the 335i. I think most of the four bangers power and torque is accessible way down in the rev range compared to the 335i which is more spread out and needs to be revved hard, I heard someone say the 328i is power dense and I agree.
Now that you own your 328i I think you should try and find a dealer with a 335i and test drive again.
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335i is a powerhouse. not to say the 328 sucks...the 335i is just better IMHO.

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Again, I think you are confuse. The 335i is a rocket at highway speed, not too many cars can keep up with it.

On a side note, if BMW is going to redesign the N55 engine soon, they should really take a hard look at the S4's V6 engine, it puts the N55 to shame.
That's your opinion, i drove it the other day and was not that impressed. It makes a lot of noise but i didn't think it was that good and it wasn't as smooth as the inline 6, not to mention i thought the ZF8 was noticeably better than the stronic or whatever they call it.
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what about the efficiency? power and torque per litre in the 328i is 120 bhp/litre and 128 foot pounds/litre respectively while the heavier 335i is 92 bhp/litre and 94 foot pounds/litre
By that regard the 160hp 1.6L engine in a Honda Civic would be better than the N55.

Power to weight is important, power per liter is a good test of engineering merit, but not necessarily much else.

I test drove every permutation of F30 and the 328 goes fast.

The 335 goes fast, sounds fast, and feels fast.

The last 2 elements are what made me jump to the 335...its purely visceral.
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what about the efficiency? power and torque per litre in the 328i is 120 bhp/litre and 128 foot pounds/litre respectively while the heavier 335i is 92 bhp/litre and 94 foot pounds/litre
By that regard the 160hp 1.6L engine in a Honda Civic would be better than the N55.

Power to weight is important, power per liter is a good test of engineering merit, but not necessarily much else.

I test drove every permutation of F30 and the 328 goes fast.

The 335 goes fast, sounds fast, and feels fast.

The last 2 elements are what made me jump to the 335...its purely visceral.
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That's your opinion, i drove it the other day and was not that impressed. It makes a lot of noise but i didn't think it was that good and it wasn't as smooth as the inline 6, not to mention i thought the ZF8 was noticeably better than the stronic or whatever they call it.
Its not just my opinion, its the opinion of pretty much every professional review and the track numbers backs it up.
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Having the 335i, i find it slow, and just barely able to keep up with traffic...
consumption is terrible: 270milles per 15 gallons !?

And that's when i am trying to keep just a few car's length ahead of traffic.

Old accords would even drive faster than me.

the suspension is bouncy, i am not fully satisfied with this car.
I love it, but it has those unexpected imperfection so uncharacteristics of BMW.


the N55 in the F30 is over-rated.


The N20 is a better application for the F30.
if you want to have a fast 3 series: get the F80.


Feel free to flame me. I am bumped for not being able to see what you see in the 335i F30. I just dont understand how you guys can come up with so much praises.
Or is it because i have too high of expectations?!

(The 335i is a great car nevertheless... ) but i feel is it's just barely keeping up with the competition...
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