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      09-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #1
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Kelleners Sport Japan power increase modules!

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http://www.kelleners-sport.co.jp/engine.html

Hi guys! Comment this product please!
I wanted to order hartge ECU tuning box (up to 362hp) for my MY2014 335xi m sport manual transmission, but noticed kelleners sport product and it offers 387hp power increase. Help me to make the right choise!
For information: in future I want to install catless downpipe with catless coding. And then after a while I want to install akrapovic exhaust and aftermarket intercooler (maybe AMS). Is the kelleners sport ECU tuning good choise for me?
Thanx a lot!
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      09-13-2013, 05:01 PM   #2
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I never heard of Kelleners sport tuning on this forums.

numbers seems much higher than any other tunes almost double the values.
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      09-13-2013, 05:23 PM   #3
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I never heard of Kelleners sport tuning on this forums.

numbers seems much higher than any other tunes almost double the values.
You are right. We need information. I e-mailed them, but there is no any answer yet. When they answer me, I'll post
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      09-13-2013, 09:43 PM   #4
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You are right. We need information. I e-mailed them, but there is no any answer yet. When they answer me, I'll post
I suspect the higher numbers come from either unsafe boost levels or they're exaggerated/attainable only with other mods.

BMS/Cobb/Dinan/whoever could easily produce more power simply turning up the boost but at the sake of increased engine wear I'm sure.

/two cents

Edit: It does say "bolt on", so maybe it's not simply a tune and requires a DP or other mods. The numbers seem to line up better if that's the case. They're probably talking crank hp, and tossing in 15% drivetrain loss. I think a JB4 Stage 1 comes out to be around 365hp at crank if you go with the 15% drivetrain loss assumption and around 415hp with DP and stage 2 map 2.

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I suspect the higher numbers come from either unsafe boost levels or they're exaggerated/attainable only with other mods.

BMS/Cobb/Dinan/whoever could easily produce more power simply turning up the boost but at the sake of increased engine wear I'm sure.

/two cents

Edit: It does say "bolt on", so maybe it's not simply a tune and requires a DP or other mods. The numbers seem to line up better if that's the case. They're probably talking crank hp, and tossing in 15% drivetrain loss. I think a JB4 Stage 1 comes out to be around 365hp at crank if you go with the 15% drivetrain loss assumption and around 415hp with DP and stage 2 map 2.
Any dynos with f30 335i n55 jb4 st.2 showing 415hp? I never seen such
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Any dynos with f30 335i n55 jb4 st.2 showing 415hp? I never seen such
I was extrapolating from dynos with whp to crank hp (since dynos don't show crank hp all anyone can do is guess) using 15% drivetrain loss to make an comparison since I'm presuming the vendor you showed is doing the same.

No way they're making near 400 whp with just a tune without blowing something up.

The DP + Stage 2 JB4 numbers are in the 355whp range, with meth it's around 370whp.
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I was extrapolating from dynos with whp to crank hp (since dynos don't show crank hp all anyone can do is guess) using 15% drivetrain loss to make an comparison since I'm presuming the vendor you showed is doing the same.

No way they're making near 400 whp with just a tune without blowing something up.

The DP + Stage 2 JB4 numbers are in the 355whp range, with meth it's around 370whp.
I don't want to install jb, only a choise between hartge and kelleners. Jb is the most popular but I need something else. I tried e92 335i with jb and then with hartge. For me hartge is better, but now I had noticed kelleners product. Don't know which is better
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You are aware of:

http://www.kelleners-sport.de/en/

However the link in the first post is for Japan, so it may be something else ?
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      09-15-2013, 11:35 AM   #9
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If its a piggy back you can't just turn up the boost. The DME will just keep pulling boost and or timing until the parameters are safe. If you want maximum hp BMS is the best option right now.
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This is a much better choice rather than the troublesome MPPK
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I know for a fact the 2013 335i module adds 61 horsepower and 59 trq. With that pricing, you're better off going with Dinan.
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