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      10-28-2012, 08:28 PM   #23
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To me, I think...

A4 S-line = 3 Series M Sport
S4 = 335is or upcoming rumored M340i
RS4 = M3

This logic should be similar to other models like A3 vs 1 Series, A5 vs 4 Series, A6 vs 5... and so forth.
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      10-28-2012, 08:35 PM   #24
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What you say is only close to being true in this latest generation, not historically. What 3 series compares to a 2005 S4? 340bhp, 4.2l V8? Nothing. Back then, the 3.2 Quattro was the direct comparison to the top end 6 pots of the 3 series. In the same generation, the RS4 had 420bhp and a blown 4.2l V8. The S6 from the same generation had a 5.2l V8 with 435bhp and the RS6 that followed had a 5.0l V10 with 580bhp. The top end 5 series from the same generation had a 5.0l V8 with 360bhp and the M5 came out with the 5.0l V10 and 510bhp. Again, the RS versions and M cars compare and compete but the S cars never had a direct competitor.

Traditionally, the S cars from Audi have sat between the top end standard BMWs and the M cars and BMW have not had a direct competitor. This is still the case today except BMW have bridged the gap a little a the top end of their standard cars. The 335i is closer to the S4 than any previous 3 series has ever been in the same way that the 550i is closer to the S6 than any previous generation but this has only just become the case.
This is true but remember that the first official RS model Audi brought to the states was the 420hp V8 B7 RS4 in '06 I believe. It was that model that actually raised the bar in that segment, in terms of horsepower and dynamics. Where the regular B6-B7 S4 was dialed in with 340hp to compete with the E46 M3 at the time...BMW then released their V8 420hp M3 shortly after the RS4. Does the powertrain and HP sound familiar? Whatever the case, it's been a wild goose chase ever since between these brands and, like a previous poster (chrisny) stated, the race from a consumer standpoint is much closer than most will let themselves believe. 90% of the buyers are not uber-enthusiasts like we are...the car makers still need to fulfill the a large range of demographics to stay successful over time.
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I didn't realise you guys only got RS models that recently. S and RS have been around as long as I've been buying cars, as far as I can remember anyway S was always the poor-man's RS and up there with the top end V8, non-AMG Mercs but BMW never seemed to bother pitching at that level.

Back in the days of the E46 M3, we always had the RS4 with a 380bhp blown V6 and Quattro as the direct comparison and, being German, I'm sure that was truly the case from the manufacturer. When the E90 M3 came out, it was bang on for the 420bhp RS4 of the same generation and the S4 had 340bhp. I'd say it was roughly around this time that BMW first started trying to bridge the gap by turbocharging their top end 6 pots with the 335i but even that wasn't really a competitor to the higher specced and more expensive S4.
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      10-28-2012, 08:53 PM   #26
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If find it cute so many 3 series owners are obsessed with Audis.
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I personally am not an audi fan ( purely due to taste and not any performance reasons ) but find everyone obsessed with comparing with audi's.
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      10-28-2012, 08:55 PM   #27
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m sport is nothing like the s line. the s line is like the m line, not m sport. an f10 m5 and a f10 535i with an m sport package are completely different cars.
Respectfully I disagree. I'm to lazy to spout facts, but see the other posts.
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      10-28-2012, 08:58 PM   #28
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Well it's not exactly surprising that anyone would make general comparisons between BMW, Audi and Mercedes since they're all premium German brands with excellent reputations who make many similar cars in many similar segments And to each their own. Personally, I can't stand Audis because I think they're chintzy, bling and a bit ugly. I find Merc has an image that's older than I like to think I am and right now, the 3 series is the right car for me. In a couple of years when I get my next car, that might not be the case so I'll be doing another earnest comparison between brands to find out what suits me best
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Well it's not exactly surprising that anyone would make general comparisons between BMW, Audi and Mercedes since they're all premium German brands with excellent reputations who make many similar cars in many similar segments And to each their own. Personally, I can't stand Audis because I think they're chintzy, bling and a bit ugly. I find Merc has an image that's older than I like to think I am and right now, the 3 series is the right car for me. In a couple of years when I get my next car, that might not be the case so I'll be doing another earnest comparison between brands to find out what suits me best
LOL

Anyway I personally think that Mercedes Benzes are the chintzy and bling cars (geez have you seen how much chrome there is on the interior and exterior????)
Audi on the other hand are quite dull with their styling.
BMW is just perfect!
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      10-28-2012, 10:01 PM   #30
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i always kinda figgured that the RS line is a direct competitor to the M brand, whilst the S line is sort of what bmw is coming out with their M135i whatever the hell or the M550d it's not an m-sport per say, but the S4 is like a 335i while the RS5 is the competition to the M3 coupé... $0.02
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I didn't realise you guys only got RS models that recently. S and RS have been around as long as I've been buying cars, as far as I can remember anyway S was always the poor-man's RS and up there with the top end V8, non-AMG Mercs but BMW never seemed to bother pitching at that level.
The first Audi S car was the S2 coupe launched back in 1991, it was competitive against a E30 M3 on a straightline.
The first Audi RS car was the RS2 Avant launched back in 1994. That car was really special & it ranks right up there with the Ur-Quattro 20V. Due to this car BMW was forced to react by upgrading the E36 M3 significantly in 1996, for Europe at least.
It's understandable that our friends in USA are not familiar with the history of these Audi's cos they were either not available (RS2) or not publicised over there (S2), as their brand image were in tatters during 80's & early 90's.
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To answer the question, nope, I don't think it's funny. What so funny about it?

S line is just a name. They could have named it Fred, for all I care. Then the Fred would be competing against the 335i. What should they call it?
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      10-29-2012, 03:08 AM   #33
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The first Audi S car was the S2 coupe launched back in 1991, it was competitive against a E30 M3 on a straightline.
The first Audi RS car was the RS2 Avant launched back in 1994. That car was really special & it ranks right up there with the Ur-Quattro 20V. Due to this car BMW was forced to react by upgrading the E36 M3 significantly in 1996, for Europe at least.
It's understandable that our friends in USA are not familiar with the history of these Audi's cos they were either not available (RS2) or not publicised over there (S2), as their brand image were in tatters during 80's & early 90's.
Actually i am very very familiar with the Audi S models including the fact that the Original Audi Quattro was considered the S1 by means of its successor, the S2. My point was the US didn't receive it's first official "S" car until the B5 S4, which wasn't much of an M3 competitor, although they do make for a mighty drag car using Euro-only RS4 guts. The S4 then continued in B6 form and matched the e46 M3 in power but not dynamics and desirability.

The US then received their first real RS car ever (im discounting the earlier released C5 RS6 because it really didn't compete with the M5) in the form of the B7 RS4 using a V8 producing 420hp while BMW was still issuing the E46 M3 and figuring out what the next bar would be for them. Make no mistake, the B7 RS4 was it and was highly acclaimed and was a bright light for the brand. But when the E92 M3 broke through the gates, also using a V8 and 420hp in a lighter and, I would say, much better looking package we had a pretty good duel on our hands.

The fight got really hot and heavy and here we are today. Audi subsequently released their R8 supercar to new bestowed eyes that were otherwise saved for ferrari glances. It gave them new cultural status in the top tier marketplace. It is what it is...these cars are awesome. And ultimately "haters gon hate" and we can all live with that.
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LOL

Anyway I personally think that Mercedes Benzes are the chintzy and bling cars (geez have you seen how much chrome there is on the interior and exterior????)
Audi on the other hand are quite dull with their styling.
BMW is just perfect!
Nah, bmw is not perfect.
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      10-29-2012, 05:28 AM   #35
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Nah, bmw is not perfect.
definitely not.

i am not some brand loyal person (actually every car i've had is a different brand)

but i've got to say BMW has made some ugly cars.

i mean every time i see an X6, 550GT , etc. when the E60 5 series came out, and well still today i think its ugly.

even the F30 isn't the best looking car in class especially the non m-sports and very especially the no line ones that are very common . for really base car i'd have to say for the stripper models the C250s probably look best since mercedes doesnt really make them look much different externally...

i mean walk around a no line F30 and you just notice the cheapness, the cheap trim inside. its pretty much the same with a front track A4 with no premium plus.

anyway, i guess my point is every car manufacturer has its merits. i do have to say that BMW probably gets the actual driving part down most consistantly. i mean the 1 series looks kind of like a slightly sad goldfish (and the f20 one looks totally bug eyed like the current 7 series) but they drive great. i'd never give bmw a "best looking all the time" generalization though. it isnt even the best looking most of the time.
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no, s line is like the m line. not the m-sport line, the s4 has much higher performing car than an a4, as is the m3 is much better than a 335, in some aspects. the s package, is like the m sport package. just visual stuff, what im trying to say is that audi has a whole performance line that competes with bmw's "middle" model, the 335. too slow for m3, too fast for 328.
No it's not. Audi has "S-Line" and the S series cars as he described. You can get a run of the mill A4, A6, etc. with "S-Line" trim. Then there are the S series cars such as S4, S6...and finally the RS series which DO compete with M.
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Actually i am very very familiar with the Audi S models including the fact that the Original Audi Quattro was considered the S1 by means of its successor, the S2.
I wouldn't call the Ur-Quattro a S1 cos dynamically it is on par with the best of the later RS cars, & there was no equivalent from BMW for a long time.
I wouldn't call the S2 being a successor of the Ur-Quattro cos it's nowhere near it, & Audi didn't intend to replace it with the S2.
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Just like people think that its a 335i and its a million times better than the 328i, but its not

BTW, only people who dont know cars thinks that.
Better motor with more power and better bigger brakes I think the 335 is well worth the extra $4000 over the 328 with a motor that pings at idle.
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Better motor with more power and better bigger brakes I think the 335 is well worth the extra $4000 over the 328 with a motor that pings at idle.
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Umm, no. S Line is a trim level, like "Sport" for BMW. The S models like S3, S4, S5, S6, S7 and S8 are distinct models that have upgraded drivetrains and suspension and generally come about a year or so after a model update. The RS models are the ones that come last.....generally only for a year or two as they're pretty special.
forgot the upgraded performance aspect, m is the s of audi..
What are you talking about?
A4 2.0 vs 328i
S4 vs 335i
RS4 vs //M3.

On a side note, have you guys seen chris harris m135i vs rs3? I love that little m135i.

http://youtu.be/2xwecTp91-o
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Nah, bmw is not perfect.
definitely not.

i am not some brand loyal person (actually every car i've had is a different brand)

but i've got to say BMW has made some ugly cars.

i mean every time i see an X6, 550GT , etc. when the E60 5 series came out, and well still today i think its ugly.

even the F30 isn't the best looking car in class especially the non m-sports and very especially the no line ones that are very common . for really base car i'd have to say for the stripper models the C250s probably look best since mercedes doesnt really make them look much different externally...

i mean walk around a no line F30 and you just notice the cheapness, the cheap trim inside. its pretty much the same with a front track A4 with no premium plus.

anyway, i guess my point is every car manufacturer has its merits. i do have to say that BMW probably gets the actual driving part down most consistantly. i mean the 1 series looks kind of like a slightly sad goldfish (and the f20 one looks totally bug eyed like the current 7 series) but they drive great. i'd never give bmw a "best looking all the time" generalization though. it isnt even the best looking most of the time.
I have a no line and it has everything your line has except rims and a whisker. They are the same car lol. I would get aftermarket suspension and rims so whats the point of getting a "sport" line. Its fully loaded except cameras but for some reason it still parallel parks itself.
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If find it cute so many 3 series owners are obsessed with Audis.
This for this thread.

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To me, I think...

A4 S-line = 3 Series M Sport
S4 = 335is or upcoming rumored M340i
RS4 = M3

This logic should be similar to other models like A3 vs 1 Series, A5 vs 4 Series, A6 vs 5... and so forth.
I like how short and concised your explaination is, and i have the same point of view.

The other posts in this thread are much to wordy and long for me to read them... So i'll just agree with this one.
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I have a no line and it has everything your line has except rims and a whisker. They are the same car lol. I would get aftermarket suspension and rims so whats the point of getting a "sport" line. Its fully loaded except cameras but for some reason it still parallel parks itself.

i don't really see your point.

for $2500 for sport line, essentially you get a sport suspension, 18" rims, summer rated tires and most importantly the sports seats. you also get trim that doesnt look like plastic that was spray painted with silver paint.

i would imagine buying after market parts to replace all that will cost more than $2500, especially the seats.

i mean theres other cosmetic things , like having black headliner etc, that well if you want it you get. even the b pillar trim outside is glossy instead of flat black. i mean for $2500 it doesnt seem like a terrible deal unless you hate the rims that come with some of the lines.
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What are you talking about?
A4 2.0 vs 328i
S4 vs 335i
RS4 vs //M3.
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