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      08-27-2015, 08:25 AM   #1
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"ASS is deadly" - ASS Lawsuit...

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/auto...wsuit0430story

Apparently ASS or its equivalent in other manufacturer's cars have caused 13 deaths so far due to carbon monoxide poisoning in enclosed spaces.

Basically the driver parks into his garage, ASS kicks in and the driver doesn't realize the car is still on. After a while the car wakes up while the user is away, and toxic levels of carbon monoxide build up in the garage.

I know that on this very forum, some people came back to their cars only to find it idling with the doors locked. Luckily for them this was a train station parking lot (if I remember the story well).

What I don't get is why the car doesn't turn itself off when it's locked by a keyfob?
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      08-27-2015, 08:46 AM   #2
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/auto...wsuit0430story

Apparently ASS or its equivalent in other manufacturer's cars have caused 13 deaths so far due to carbon monoxide poisoning in enclosed spaces.

Basically the driver parks into his garage, ASS kicks in and the driver doesn't realize the car is still on. After a while the car wakes up while the user is away, and toxic levels of carbon monoxide build up in the garage.

I know that on this very forum, some people came back to their cars only to find it idling with the doors locked. Luckily for them this was a train station parking lot (if I remember the story well).

What I don't get is why the car doesn't turn itself off when it's locked by a keyfob?
Good question - better question is why can't the driver remember to push the start button to turn the car off? Secondly, when the driver releases the brake after putting the car in park, wouldn't the engine start up before he or she exits the car?
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      08-27-2015, 08:56 AM   #3
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Good question - better question is why can't the driver remember to push the start button to turn the car off? Secondly, when the driver releases the brake after putting the car in park, wouldn't the engine start up before he or she exits the car?
I don't think I have a good answer as to why people can't remember to do something. I guess some people get distracted and make mistakes.

And don't quote me on that, but I don't think the car starts again when it's in park and you release the brake. But I don't use ASS so I wouldn't know. Some people are so distracted by their phone conversation, and the engines are so quiet, they wouldn't even notice it if the engine restarted as they step out of the car.

Turning off when key fob is out of range is a great fix because it also prevents car jacking theft.
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      08-27-2015, 08:59 AM   #4
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In the UK, when you open the driver's door, it gives you a warning and then disables ASS. It'll leave the car with the ignition on, but won't restart itself.
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I like having the ability to keep the car running and locking the doors.
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      08-27-2015, 09:34 AM   #6
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I like having the ability to keep the car running and locking the doors.
Trying to hard to be a smart ass? His key phrase was "when fob gets out of range".
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Originally Posted by ft1330 View Post
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/auto...wsuit0430story

Apparently ASS or its equivalent in other manufacturer's cars have caused 13 deaths so far due to carbon monoxide poisoning in enclosed spaces.

Basically the driver parks into his garage, ASS kicks in and the driver doesn't realize the car is still on. After a while the car wakes up while the user is away, and toxic levels of carbon monoxide build up in the garage.

I know that on this very forum, some people came back to their cars only to find it idling with the doors locked. Luckily for them this was a train station parking lot (if I remember the story well).

What I don't get is why the car doesn't turn itself off when it's locked by a keyfob?
This response is directed towards the article, and not you dude. This is dumb. Come on. Let’s say I do dishes, wash a knife, place it gently on the counter among a snack I’m eating, then continue washing dishes forgetting the knife. Then I grab at my snack and cut my hand wide open. I should be able to know the knife is there and remember it, as a normal human being. Things happen even within the safest situation. Let’s say I am driving and my fav song comes on, puts me in a trance, and I run a red light smashing into another car. I should have been paying attention, like a normal human being. If you forget to turn off your car due to ASS, then you need to get some sleep and lots of rest or tons of that 5Hour energy drink. You turn the car off by what? pressing the start/stop big button on the dash. You can’t just arrive somewhere, put car in park and say, oh ok car seems off even though nothing was pressed and the dash is still on, ok then zippidi do da ok I’m out! WTF? There’ll always be someone getting hurt or etc with anything out there. I bet someone is suing right now, complaining about a broken nose because they smashed their own face with a calculator. I understand someone got hurt, and I am sentimental about that. However, people always need to blame someone else. And people do miss some things and signs and alerts even if those thing are directly in our faces, but it doesn’t mean we star blaming everyone else but ourselves.
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      08-27-2015, 09:38 AM   #8
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I'm not to sure cause I always turn off the car first but I thought that if the engine is off and the drivers door is opened, it won't turn back on, it just goes to ready then off
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This thread's title was misleading. Before I entered, I thought I would respond "Depends on what kinda A$$ - some are deadly; and I wouldn't go down on just any a$$" But this has to do with that non-practical feature of my car. The startup was too rough, I just coded it off permanently.
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Trying to hard to be a smart ass? His key phrase was "when fob gets out of range".
No. Freezing cold outside. Start car, lock doors, go inside and drink coffee, go outside to warm car. Or on a summer road trip and hot outside. Keep car running, lock the doors, go inside chipotle and eat, dogs chilling in AC.
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      08-27-2015, 10:53 AM   #11
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/auto...wsuit0430story
Apparently ASS or its equivalent in other manufacturer's cars have caused 13 deaths so far due to carbon monoxide poisoning in enclosed spaces.
Read the article again. It has nothing to do with ASS, other than the picture of an ASS starter button. It has to do with people who forget that they started their car and left it running in a garage. Stupid, yes, but no more so than those who ignore manufacturer warnings and leave electric generators in a garage or even in the house and end up on the next day's news as another statistic. You can't fix stupid, but God has his ways of culling the herd.

The ability to leave the engine running when the fob isn't in the car is no different than my '63 Chevy, which could remain running after you removed the key from the ignition, or would even start without the key if you removed the key in the 1/2 turn position. IMO just an other example of contingency lawyers in search of deep pockets to fleece.
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In my car with the ASS active, if I stop and put the car in Park and set the Parking Brake...the car is in "Ready" mode. When I open the door and step out and close the door...the car shuts off.
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Its likely this person simply forgot and left engine running. On my F32, as soon as door is opened, ASS shuts engine down, and cannot be restarted again by ASS, until one forcibly starts engine manually again.
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ASS is implemented much better on 6MT cars; it will never engage unless you are in neutral with the clutch disengaged. Don't want it to turn off the car at a light/in garage/whatever? Just leave the clutch engaged.
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      08-27-2015, 12:12 PM   #15
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The lawsuit cited cases in which drivers have inadvertently left their vehicles running inside enclosed garages causing a build-up of toxic odorless carbon monoxide gas that has seeped into homes, including at least one case involving a Toyota Prius hybrid.
Am I the only one that finds that ironic? Lol
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ASS is implemented much better on 6MT cars; it will never engage unless you are in neutral with the clutch disengaged. Don't want it to turn off the car at a light/in garage/whatever? Just leave the clutch engaged.
another +1 on the debate for manual cars haha, you dont get yourself killed with ASS.
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Good question - better question is why can't the driver remember to push the start button to turn the car off? Secondly, when the driver releases the brake after putting the car in park, wouldn't the engine start up before he or she exits the car?
Even alert smart people make random errors. Given a large population of alert smart people (the bulk of bmw drivers, presumably) there will be a steady stream of errors. Throw in a lot of people of average absent-mindfulness then there will be a lot more errors.

A well engineered product will account for the simple fact that people are not perfect, regardless of where they fall on the alertness/absent-mindfulness spectrum.
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      08-27-2015, 02:59 PM   #18
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Are people really this stupid?

Do they ignore the chimes and warnings when you get out of the car with the engine running or the ASS activated?

Hell, even if you got out of the car with ASS activated, you get the chime, then after that if you lock your doors, the car will turn itself off.
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Be interesting to compare these numbers with people leaving the keys in the ignition and car running. Maybe it is just me, but I am think the numbers would be similar.
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A rarely put use the P button for putting my car into park, I prefer to just hit the Start button to both turn the engine off and put the car into park.
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I'm sorry for not being constructive but I laughed my "ASS" off when I saw the title of this thread.
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It will be interesting to see how this gets settled. My bet is we have a "recall" software update coming that will add an audible/visual warning and/or countdown timer to turn off the engine once the fob is out of range.
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