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      10-29-2012, 01:46 PM   #1
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The other day I was picking up pizza and on my way back this black G37 kept stopping veryyyyy close to my car, next thing I know he tries to overtake me while I gave him no reason to. He does a kick down an burns some rubber. At the next street light im behind him. As it hits green he starts doing a hard acceleration and I jump to the next lane with a kick down and I actually overtake him. I left him atleast 3-5 car lengths behind me. I was quite shockedd.
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This is actually awesome to know since I now drive a 2009 Nissan Maxima 3.5 SV (with Cold Weather, Premium, Technology, and Sport Packages) and I was wondering if I'd regret it when it leaves the drive way this week. My Max is FAST and my kids are always wanting me to race people at the light.

Since the Bimmer I ordered has a lot less HP, I was scared I might not like to drive it as much. But it sounds like I just need to give it a chance!! WOOHOO!!

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Oh... I know the OP was talking about the G37, but the cars are very similar (as most people know).

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Anything can happen on the street, it's not exactly scientific.

Magazine racing, the G37 is a bit faster than the 328 and the 335 is faster than both.
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This is actually awesome to know since I now drive a 2009 Nissan Maxima 3.5 SV (with Cold Weather, Premium, Technology, and Sport Packages) and I was wondering if I'd regret it when it leaves the drive way this week. My Max is FAST and my kids are always wanting me to race people at the light.

Since the Bimmer I ordered has a lot less HP, I was scared I might not like to drive it as much. But it sounds like I just need to give it a chance!! WOOHOO!!

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Oh... I know the OP was talking about the G37, but the cars are very similar (as most people know).
The 328 is faster than the Maxima. It does not have a lot less hp in reality, it makes more like 265-275hp at the crank and has more tq than the Maxima.

I drove one a few weeks ago.
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I would have guessed a neck and neck showing, but 3-5 car lengths says he was probably surprised and decided to let off.

The acceleration on these cars is pretty decent, and with minimal lag. But I tealize that my days of embarrassing people at stop lights are gone.
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The other day I was picking up pizza and on my way back this black G37 kept stopping veryyyyy close to my car, next thing I know he tries to overtake me while I gave him no reason to. He does a kick down an burns some rubber. At the next street light im behind him. As it hits green he starts doing a hard acceleration and I jump to the next lane with a kick down and I actually overtake him. I left him atleast 3-5 car lengths behind me. I was quite shockedd.
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BS! if he was full throttle he would take u apart very easily, g37 is very close to 335 in acceleration so dont get too excited
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I am going to race my coworker sometime soon.. he has 2012 g37s sedan.. and on paper we are very close in 1/4mile
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The other day I was picking up pizza and on my way back this black G37 kept stopping veryyyyy close to my car, next thing I know he tries to overtake me while I gave him no reason to. He does a kick down an burns some rubber. At the next street light im behind him. As it hits green he starts doing a hard acceleration and I jump to the next lane with a kick down and I actually overtake him. I left him atleast 3-5 car lengths behind me. I was quite shockedd.
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Sorry, but 3-5 cars on a car that has close to 80 more hp than you seems a little off to me. Especially for you to come from behind him then pass him and keep passing him and put that many car lengths between you guys.

Here is what I think happened:
You passed from behind, the G37 saw that you wanted to play so eased on the throttle to get a good side by side race going, but you kept flooring past the G37 and then they attempted to play catch up and at that point all hope is lost
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The other day I was picking up pizza and on my way back this black G37 kept stopping veryyyyy close to my car, next thing I know he tries to overtake me while I gave him no reason to. He does a kick down an burns some rubber. At the next street light im behind him. As it hits green he starts doing a hard acceleration and I jump to the next lane with a kick down and I actually overtake him. I left him atleast 3-5 car lengths behind me. I was quite shockedd.
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Serves you right for buying a Pizza. Not quite what a BMW driver should be consuming. Shocking, in fact. One meets the oddest humans when indulging in such base culinary requirements!

Just imagine having a relationship with a Nissan G37. Not very stylish. Could it get any worse? Oh yes, it might with a Cruddy ATS!

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I am going to race my coworker sometime soon.. he has 2012 g37s sedan.. and on paper we are very close in 1/4mile
bottom line

335>g37 any day
328<g37 any day

unless...u r tuned to a very high boost and pushing over 300 hp(in a 328 that is)
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Serves you right for buying a Pizza. Not quite what a BMW driver should be consuming. Shocking, in fact. One meets the oddest humans when indulging in such base culinary requirements!

Just imagine having a relationship with a Nissan G37. Not very stylish. Could it get any worse? Oh yes, it might with a Cruddy ATS!

unusual comparison but pretty funny.
what i gathered and what i agree with is that u dont race with every bucket on the road that wants to race u, have some car respect and know what your car can REALISTICALLY do.

The other day i tried to get GTR to race, with no luck... my point exactly
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335>g37 any day
328<g37 any day

unless...u r tuned to a very high boost and pushing over 300 hp(in a 328 that is)
You do realize the 328's are showing 230-250whp on Dynojets, and only a stage 1 tune nets the same performance as the N55 335 right?
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Sorry, but 3-5 cars on a car that has close to 80 more hp than you seems a little off to me.
There is no 80hp difference.

Lets only look at Dynojets:

268whp

286whp

281-286whp


N20:
250whp(Dynapack, non-load bearing like DJ)

240whp


Realistically we have a 30-45whp difference, maybe 60 crank tops, about inline with the n55 difference.

But TORQUE is in the N20's favor. Its typically putting about 250-275lbs of tq to the wheels which is VERY close to what the G37 claims at the crank. It is this reason why 0-60(maybe 5.2 for the G and 5.4 for the 328) and traps between the 328 and G37 are so close(99-102 for 328-G).

Please skip the BS about different days and dynos, I know all of that. This is a generalization of tons of viewed dynos from these cars.
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There is no 80hp difference.

Lets only look at Dynojets:

268whp

286whp

281-286whp


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250whp(Dynapack, non-load bearing like DJ)

240whp




Realistically we have a 30-45whp difference, maybe 60 crank tops, about inline with the n55 difference.

But TORQUE is in the N20's favor. Its typically putting about 250-275lbs of tq to the wheels which is VERY close to what the G37 claims at the crank. It is this reason why 0-60(maybe 5.2 for the G and 5.4 for the 328) and traps between the 328 and G37 are so close(99-102 for 328-G).

Please skip the BS about different days and dynos, I know all of that. This is a generalization of tons of viewed dynos from these cars.
Ok so a 60hp (crank) difference is not going to allow someone to pull 3-5 cars. I still think the scenario I layed out is exactly what happened. An N20 328 would be a good race with the G37 most likely pulling away at the top.
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Serves you right for buying a Pizza. Not quite what a BMW driver should be consuming. Shocking, in fact. One meets the oddest humans when indulging in such base culinary requirements!

Just imagine having a relationship with a Nissan G37. Not very stylish. Could it get any worse? Oh yes, it might with a Cruddy ATS!

Seriously? The ATS has gotten very positive reviews (minus the manual transmission). Most magazines have said that it's the closest anyone has come to dethroning the 3 series.

Styling is quite subjective. You live in the UK, and the ATS isn't even in your market yet. Why don't you take a look at one in the flesh before you judge it? Personally, I think the base ATS looks FAR better than a base F30. To me, only the M-Sport F30 looks better than the ATS.
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You do realize the 328's are showing 230-250whp on Dynojets, and only a stage 1 tune nets the same performance as the N55 335 right?
yes i do, but performance figures are still too far apart.
g37's trap high 13's over 100, 328 is not even close
0-60 is about 0.5 s difference.

im not sure about stage 1 tunning but without much doubt i can say that a stage 1 tunned 328 with software alone will not hang with a stock 335. having driven them both 335 is a much strong car. 328 is impressive (compared to outgoing engine) but IMO no where near 335.

i ran a 328 and walked away from it like it was standing still. and my car is slightly quicker then f30 335

*just as a note* i like 328 and i think it is the best 328 built to date, it is by far best car in its class, BUT you need to be realistic and know that there are faster cars out there in same price segment. G37 is not my cup of tea at all but it does deserve some credit, and it should be compared to 335 not 328.
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The other day I was picking up pizza and on my way back this black G37 kept stopping veryyyyy close to my car, next thing I know he tries to overtake me while I gave him no reason to. He does a kick down an burns some rubber. At the next street light im behind him. As it hits green he starts doing a hard acceleration and I jump to the next lane with a kick down and I actually overtake him. I left him atleast 3-5 car lengths behind me. I was quite shockedd.
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You may not have the advantage i.t.o. power, but you definitely do i.t.o. looks! The G37 looks horrible!!!
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You may not have the advantage i.t.o. power, but you definitely do i.t.o. looks! The G37 looks horrible!!!
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Ok so a 60hp (crank) difference is not going to allow someone to pull 3-5 cars. I still think the scenario I layed out is exactly what happened. An N20 328 would be a good race with the G37 most likely pulling away at the top.

Let's be clear. I stated street races, anything can happen, often the faster car is not the winner. That is why I put no value in such stories. Instead I provide more factual information.

The facts are the G37 is the faster car, but fact is the gap is rather small between the 328 and G37.

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yes i do, but performance figures are still too far apart.
g37's trap high 13's over 100, 328 is not even close
0-60 is about 0.5 s difference.

G37's are HIGH 13/LOW 14 at 100+. 0-60 in 5.2-5.5. How can you say the 328 IS NOT EVEN CLOSE? Mags get 13.9-14.2 at 99-100mph and 0-60 in 5.4-5.5. THAT IS PRETTY DAMN CLOSE.


im not sure about stage 1 tunning but without much doubt i can say that a stage 1 tunned 328 with software alone will not hang with a stock 335. having driven them both 335 is a much strong car. 328 is impressive (compared to outgoing engine) but IMO no where near 335.

TESTING WITH STAGE 1 tune only has confirmed it perfectly mirrors the 335:


i ran a 328 and walked away from it like it was standing still. and my car is slightly quicker then f30 335

I PUT NO VALUE IN STREET RACES. Do you want me to credit this story about how a stock 328 crushes a G37? Same way I am not going to put much value in your scenario. Fact is I know how much faster the N55 over an N20, its about 4-5mph traps and .5 seconds in the 1/4. That is not insubstantial.

*just as a note* i like 328 and i think it is the best 328 built to date, it is by far best car in its class, BUT you need to be realistic and know that there are faster cars out there in same price segment. G37 is not my cup of tea at all but it does deserve some credit, and it should be compared to 335 not 328.

AGAIN, read my info-I am realistic. I am no fanboy, I know what the cars are capable of.
OK, again I will reply with facts to each point above in CAPS.
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Let's be clear. I stated street races, anything can happen, often the faster car is not the winner. That is why I put no value in such stories. Instead I provide more factual information.

The facts are the G37 is the faster car, but fact is the gap is rather small between the 328 and G37.



OK, again I will reply with facts to each point above in CAPS.
good numbers, first time i see tunned performance info, didnt expect such numbers.

true about the street races, i dont expect any credit for my scenario it was just my personal expirience to show where im coming from.
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good numbers, first time i see tunned performance info, didnt expect such numbers.

true about the street races, i dont expect any credit for my scenario it was just my personal expirience to show where im coming from.
I have no interest in over-stating what the N20 is or can be. It's not going to be my FAST car, I already have one.

But I do have goals for it.

I am among the first to dyno it(15 pulls already) and have been using it to develop a nice exhaust that has shown very nice gains.

Time will show that the N20 will support 300whp with a few bolt ons.

AFE has a new stage 1 tune and with just their intake showed 272whp and 300lbs of tq. Now, add to that a downpipe, proper stage 2 tune, catback(mine showed a 20w-tq gain), and intercooler.

300whp and maybe 340lbs of tq while still returning 35+mpg is quite appealing to me at least.
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