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      03-21-2018, 04:04 PM   #1
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Could I tow an E92 with a F31?

Done some searching and seems like it might work but before I do something I might not be able to recover from I wanted to ask in here;
Am I dreaming or can I use the 328i for towing a car?

https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/bmw-f...-mpg14-catn-ol

This is an example of what could work for me/us here in the U.S.

Thoughts, comments, ideas are all welcome.

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Yes. Your 328i has a towing capacity of 1600kg.
The E92 weighs in around 1650kg. My advice would be to shed whatever you can in terms of weight in the E92 i.e. no junk in the trunk.

The link did not work for me (possibly as I am in the UK) but if it was a trailer then you need to factor that weight in for the trailer.

A remap may help the situation. That could give you 84nm (62 lb ft) more. Should help to reduce some lag and help you to get going.
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Yes. Your 328i has a towing capacity of 1600kg.
The E92 weighs in around 1650kg. My advice would be to shed whatever you can in terms of weight in the E92 i.e. no junk in the trunk.

The link did not work for me (possibly as I am in the UK) but if it was a trailer then you need to factor that weight in for the trailer.

A remap may help the situation. That could give you 84nm (62 lb ft) more. Should help to reduce some lag and help you to get going.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF...q=m5+tows+boat
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Yikes! I don't think, or would hope at least to not look like that with a car

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Yes. Your 328i has a towing capacity of 1600kg.
The E92 weighs in around 1650kg. My advice would be to shed whatever you can in terms of weight in the E92 i.e. no junk in the trunk.

The link did not work for me (possibly as I am in the UK) but if it was a trailer then you need to factor that weight in for the trailer.

A remap may help the situation. That could give you 84nm (62 lb ft) more. Should help to reduce some lag and help you to get going.
The link was to some Westphalia products. Thank you for the info. Hmm.

Red towing blue...
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How far do you want to tow it? Your profile shows Norfolk, VA. I would give a different answer if you wanted to tow to Richmond VA vs. Richmond CA.
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How far do you want to tow it? Your profile shows Norfolk, VA. I would give a different answer if you wanted to tow to Richmond VA vs. Richmond CA.
Norfolk, to Alton VA (VIR track), 200 miles one way, pretty flat drive.
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Not sure how you intend to tow it but personally I would not do it with your car. Uhaul etc will not rent you a car trailer to be pulled by your car. Also looks like your car is lowered? What do you expect to happen when you drop weight on the hitch?

Tongue weight - too light = the load is unstable & will sway. To heavy = Steering issues/rear tire rub.

I have both a Ranger 4X4 & an Expedition 4X4 & don't ever use the Ranger.



FWIW the car only weighs 2250lbs. VIR is 1.5 hours for me.
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I would rent a U-haul (or similar) truck and trailer before trying what you suggest. Not that expensive and MUCH safer.
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If you are going to try and tow one car with another car, please make sure you record it and report back!
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I would not do it.
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Not sure how you intend to tow it but personally I would not do it with your car. Uhaul etc will not rent you a car trailer to be pulled by your car. Also looks like your car is lowered? What do you expect to happen when you drop weight on the hitch?
Car would have to go up, no question about it.
Tongue weight - too light = the load is unstable & will sway. To heavy = Steering issues/rear tire rub.

I have both a Ranger 4X4 & an Expedition 4X4 & don't ever use the Ranger.
I think your ranger is more than capable. Care to try an experiment?


FWIW the car only weighs 2250lbs. VIR is 1.5 hours for me.
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I would rent a U-haul (or similar) truck and trailer before trying what you suggest. Not that expensive and MUCH safer.
I'm doing this exact thing this weekend, but I need to find a long term as the Uhaul rental thing cost as much as a trackday

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If you are going to try and tow one car with another car, please make sure you record it and report back!
You betcha! Could be an epic win...or loss

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I would not do it.
Why not?
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Since the drivetrain seem to be really weak on theses car I would avoid it. If you car is out of warranty you could try It at your own risk. For the towing side the maximum in Europe is 1600kg for which you need a trailer brake controler. I don't think you would be able to get that low including the trailer weight.
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I think your ranger is more than capable. Care to try an experiment?
Uhaul will not rent a car trailer for the Ranger. That said its also about brakes, engine, suspension & rear axle ratio. If you have never towed anything like a car before you don't want anything marginal in the system.

The Expedition EL V8 @ 300+HP is 3 tons with a trailer package & has a 9,000lbs tow max weight. You don't even feel the trailer at interstate speeds.
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OP this was written for a different specification but is worth a read:

https://www.pfjones.co.uk/blog/2012/...-capabilities/

Ps. Any reason you are not driving the E92?
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You said it was 200 miles. You will PROBABLY OK, but if it were mine, I would rent a truck.
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I wouldn't... towing weight seems very close to the limit.
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look similar?
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Hope this is a joke?

I tow a fair amount and have definitely pushed the limits.... But the f31 would suck to tow with. Are you on springs? Whatever you're running, the rear suspension will be overworked.. def not take it on interstate.. you'll get a big ass ticket.
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Since the drivetrain seem to be really weak on theses car I would avoid it. If you car is out of warranty you could try It at your own risk. For the towing side the maximum in Europe is 1600kg for which you need a trailer brake controler. I don't think you would be able to get that low including the trailer weight.
Car still being stock would not allow me to get safely under the towing capacity as there seems not a light enough trailer out there. An electric brake assist would be a must.

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Uhaul will not rent a car trailer for the Ranger. That said its also about brakes, engine, suspension & rear axle ratio. If you have never towed anything like a car before you don't want anything marginal in the system.
The Expedition EL V8 @ 300+HP is 3 tons with a trailer package & has a 9,000lbs tow max weight. You don't even feel the trailer at interstate speeds.
Point taken.

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OP this was written for a different specification but is worth a read:

https://www.pfjones.co.uk/blog/2012/...-capabilities/

Ps. Any reason you are not driving the E92?
I can drive the E92 but being my first track event with a car I'm choosing to cover any possibility of not being able to drive back.

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You said it was 200 miles. You will PROBABLY OK, but if it were mine, I would rent a truck.
I'm renting a truck and trailer

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I wouldn't... towing weight seems very close to the limit.
Point taken, thanks.

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look similar?
Damn, that's what it would look like too, sobering. Thank you.

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Hope this is a joke?

I tow a fair amount and have definitely pushed the limits.... But the f31 would suck to tow with. Are you on springs? Whatever you're running, the rear suspension will be overworked.. def not take it on interstate.. you'll get a big ass ticket.
No joke. Nothing wrong with asking, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it cant be done. I definitely with you and other as far as the premature wearing of the suspension and drivetrain and this alone should be enough for me to scratch this pipe dream off. I could always put a tow hitch on the vette
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I can drive the E92 but being my first track event with a car I'm choosing to cover any possibility of not being able to drive back.
Another option is to drive the car to the event, but have an AAA (or similar) account to get the car back home if the unspeakable happens.
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No joke. Nothing wrong with asking, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it cant be done. I definitely with you and other as far as the premature wearing of the suspension and drivetrain and this alone should be enough for me to scratch this pipe dream off. I could always put a tow hitch on the vette
All good - Sorry if i came off rude.

At the end of the day it's better to use something else.... using your F31 will just stress you out

If it was half the weight i'd say go for it, but you'll just maxed out w/ trailer.

-prob need to install a brake controller..
-wear and tear
-potential liability issues with any accident
-200 mile white knuckle drive (been there too many times, i loaded the trailer incorrectly or had to brake fast and didn't realize the weight behind me.... it wakes you up real quick and it's just not worth it)
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