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      11-21-2012, 04:43 PM   #89
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i think most ppl that complain about the steering drive their car in eco mode and that's how they manage to get mpg of 25 with a 335, if you want stiff steering put it in sport mode and stop complaining, i think that suspension is perfect, for every day driver if you want stiff suspension get an m3
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      11-21-2012, 04:45 PM   #90
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Obviously a BMW forum ... BMW skewed view.

I LOOOOOOOVVVEEE how all the current e90 Drivers and F30 328 Drivers feel the need to chime in here and harp on the 335i. Haters will hate.

My money. My Decision. I paid more... and could NOT have been happier w/ my decision. I have a car that puts a smile on my face every time I peak through my garage door to take a look at it. Very little in my life that I can buy gives me that same feeling.

I test drove all of them in the bunch and could NOT disagree w/ this review more.

MB over the BMW???? Are you kidding me??? I considered this one of the cheapest made, under engineered cars I have ever driven in my life. Felt like I was driving a boat (the body roll was horrible). Almost not acceptable for a car charging this much.

As for the Caddy ... transmission sucked in every rhelm. Was it stiffer ... yes. Stiffer doesn't mean "better".

This review has seriously made me question the authenticity behind the reviews and the alleged behind the scene endorsements everyone has always thrown out for consideration.
This is one of the most skewed responses in the whole thread dude. First, up to this post, the 328i was only mentioned a couple of times and not really in a bad way towards the 335i. The few posts about the E90 were nothing significant, and definitely not worth calling out. I actually had to go back and read a few times to see if I missed something.

The MB is cheap and under engineered? Really? What is this based on?
The Cadillac was stiff, but not better? Are you saying it rode rough?
Now you are saying an MSport would have won this comparison?


Honestly I have to question the authenticity behind your reviews more than the MT guy. I actually like his reviews, and although it stings to see BMW lose, I applaud cadillac for their efforts. Until I can drive them all back to back and decide for myself, this is what I have to go on.
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      11-21-2012, 04:48 PM   #91
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      11-21-2012, 05:07 PM   #92
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Get this straight first.

Mercedes is from Stuttgart
BMW is from Munich.
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I disagree with Lieberman for placing the F30 dead last. It should, at least, come in before the Merc.

I have not had a chance to test drive the F30 but I have a feeling that I may be disappointed in the steering if it's anything like the E92 335is (I daily drove a 2011 for almost 10 days recently). Coming from the 1M the 3'er felt quite slow and lazy to change direction. I also did not like the suspension which was much, much harder riding than the 1'er.

The ATS is an intriguing package. I can see myself cross shopping the F30 M3 against an ATS-V in a few years, especially if Cadillac fixes the 'bling' interior and the horrible touch (me-and-crash) screen system.

We all know that MT is a shill-rag. Lieberman though, has a decent reputation from when he used to write for Jalopnik. Of course, since he no longer works for the Gawker group, that may be neither here no there.
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What I think the 1 big problem with the most car journalists out there Is that They emphasise too much on sport. The older 3er was Criticised been too sport oriented and too uncomfortable. Now they made it more all around and critics started saying it is too soft. People buy these cars to use it, not race it. If you talk about which car is better overall. I think the 3er still tops the other 2.
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What I think the 1 big problem with the most car journalists out there Is that They emphasise too much on sport. The older 3er was Criticised been too sport oriented and too uncomfortable. Now they made it more all around and critics started saying it is too soft. People buy these cars to use it, not race it. If you talk about which car is better overall. I think the 3er still tops the other 2.
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      11-21-2012, 06:05 PM   #96
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What I think the 1 big problem with the most car journalists out there Is that They emphasise too much on sport. The older 3er was Criticised been too sport oriented and too uncomfortable. Now they made it more all around and critics started saying it is too soft. People buy these cars to use it, not race it. If you talk about which car is better overall. I think the 3er still tops the other 2.
Very well said. BMW adapted to all the winers. I still think its a perfectly dynamic car with M adaptive. 3 series for me. Best all around sedan IMO
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      11-21-2012, 06:20 PM   #97
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I just leased the 335i after driving the ATS 3.6 and the BMW TWICE back to back by myself and on the same exact route. The BMW I tested (and the one I leased) has M adaptive suspension. I simply cannot agree with the review. In Sport mode with sport shift mode on the transmission, it is absolutely no contest between the ATS and BMW. Not that the ATS is "bad". It's just not better than the BMW...not even close really. And in comfort mode, the BMW is quieter; rides better and is generally more comfortable.
My suggestion: Test drive an ATS, and post your findings.
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      11-21-2012, 06:27 PM   #98
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Why is everyone so shocked at this result...and no it's not just Motortrend, there are a lot of corroborative reviews (in the US and abroad) that as a majority, agree that the new BMWs' steering and chassis feel hasn't really gotten better and is losing to the competition. For anyone contemplating the new 3, do not get the regular (non sport) suspension. I recently have driven a 328i non-sports line and is was sooo boring compared to the sports line/suspension (also on new gen 3) with worse ride quality in my opinion. Whatever you do, test drive the sports suspension and compare before you buy.
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      11-21-2012, 06:50 PM   #99
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Right, because the 328 outperforms the 335, only thing it beats the 335 at is gas mileage!
When did I say that?

0-60 in 5.4, 14.0 at 99mph. That is faster or on par with the 3.6 ATS and C350.

They mention how the 335 is the most expensive and mags praise the 328 for better handling than the 335. So in this test, the 335 did not seem to better the equation for itself by bringing the only thing it offers over the 328-MORE POWER.
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      11-21-2012, 06:55 PM   #100
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Competition is good, hopefully BMW will wake up and fix the design of the hideous front of the regular F30 and their steering feel which has been an issue in the F10 as well.

Personally I'm glad I got one of the last E92 and E70.
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It's so funny to see all the F30 owners justify their biased opinions on the ATS beating the F30. Let's be real here guys.... the ATS is a better SPORTS SEDAN. I emphasis sport because that was the whole point of the 3 series formula. To provide near sports car like performance from a sedan. Credit is due when deserved.

BTW Cadillac benchmarked the E46 not the E90 because the head engineer at GM in charge of the Alpha platform believes that the E46 was the ultimate sports sedan and lost sight of that with the E90 and went way out the park with the F30.

I figured this was going to happen the minute I drove the F30.
I drove all 3 version.

E46 has the best connected feel among all 3 versions.

E46 looks the best too IMO
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Get this straight first.

Mercedes is from Stuttgart
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This is one of the most skewed responses in the whole thread dude. First, up to this post, the 328i was only mentioned a couple of times and not really in a bad way towards the 335i. The few posts about the E90 were nothing significant, and definitely not worth calling out. I actually had to go back and read a few times to see if I missed something.

The MB is cheap and under engineered? Really? What is this based on?
The Cadillac was stiff, but not better? Are you saying it rode rough?
Now you are saying an MSport would have won this comparison?


Honestly I have to question the authenticity behind your reviews more than the MT guy. I actually like his reviews, and although it stings to see BMW lose, I applaud cadillac for their efforts. Until I can drive them all back to back and decide for myself, this is what I have to go on.
Yea, but I just hate how he just breezed over the gearboxes. That's what drew me towards the BMW. yea, I can't drive a stick, so what
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      11-21-2012, 07:09 PM   #103
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The ATS might be a great car and all but I never buy any products from a bankrupt/bailed out company that couldn't manage itself correctly.
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Remember, ATS was benchmarking BMW E90 model, with that much money and time, not beating the E90 would be a shame and total failure for Caddy.

BTW, I like Jonny Lieberman.
Its actually the E46 Caddy was benchmarking.
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Right, because the 328 outperforms the 335, only thing it beats the 335 at is gas mileage!
I disagree, the 328i is king in this class in every way except engine note before the engine reaches normal operating temperature.
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Get this straight first.

Mercedes is from Stuttgart
BMW is from Munich.
He's making a joke that they copy each others designs.
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He's making a joke that they copy each others designs.
I dunno if he intended it to be a joke, he said it pretty seriously. If so, I think you're the only one that got it. If it was a joke, that's a clever one.
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ok I dont know if anyone caught onto this but watch the review again and pick up some key points.

So the reviewer said:

335i has the best engine and transmission
ATS has the worst interior in terms of looks
BMW iDrive was the best and Cue was the worst
ATS had the best steering feel

Am I missing something? Did he put ATS in 1st solely on just steering feel?
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LOL @ everyone who's making excuses and using their opinions as criteria for which is the better car. Yes, you should buy the car that makes you happy but to compare all cars using the segment as the criteria, I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that BMW got trumped. For as long as I can remember, BMW always won because of one thing, driving feel whether that be stiff steering and hard suspension. Now Cadillac took over that role. You guys can argue about how the exterior or interior can't match the Germans, who cares. BMW's were never judged on that so that shouldn't even be used against the Cadillac, sure it might matter to you - good but not for comparing as to see which is the better car in this segment.


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Am I missing something? Did he put ATS in 1st solely on just steering feel?
Yes, so what? Again, BMW's always won for that fact. This is nothing towards you personally, but everyone really need to take off the fanboy shades and go back and see why BMW's won all those comparisons, I'll tell you one thing, it wasn't because of their plain interior, sometimes bad exteriors or iDrive...
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Watch the 328i vs C250 comparison video and compare it to this video. From loving the interior, steering feel (which he calls hydraulic assisted) and ride quality to what he says in this video about 335i - no consistency. Motortrend loses a bit of credibility with every video they put out. Only person worth watching from that group of reviewers is Carlos Lago, at-least he knows what he's talking about and has some charisma.
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