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      03-28-2015, 05:42 PM   #1
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Nearing car purchase time, 328i, 335i (both XDrive) M Sport, Audi, Lexus (long)

It's looking like my next vehicle purchase will be coming fairly soon. I will be starting a new job on May 1st and it is time to get a new vehicle. Right now I have several vehicles on the list:

BMW 328i XDrive
BMW 335i XDrive
Audi S4
Audi A6 3.0T (probably not sporty enough but will test drive regardless)
Lexus GS350 F Sport

Any of the above would be purchased as a CPO car 2013 model year or newer. This isn't necessarily intended to be a comparison thread, though anyone with first hand experience in any of the above cars 2013 or newer is welcome to add their thoughts and input, I would very much welcome that.

The real purpose is to help me iron out trim/model differences among the 3 series line. I read on here a month or so ago, that the XDrive comes standard with the same suspension across the line and that it is the softest suspension. This means that I have to look for a car with DHP and XDrive which may prove difficult to find.

I feel like I must go XDrive because a move to Denver by the end of 2015 is probably a 50/50 proposition at this point, if not a bit higher. If that changes after discussion with my new employer I could do RWD.

I certainly love M Sport package but in the case of XDrive it is harder to justify for simply appearance mods and a steering wheel. (Although that wheel is awesome.) Any thoughts, comments as it relates to suspension options and XDrive would be welcome.

I'm also very much on the fence as it relates to 328i vs 335i. Yes the 335i is smoother and sounds better but you also spend a fair amount upfront additional for it and it gets less mpg, cost a few more dollars to insure, etc. The 328i makes a lot of power, plenty for daily use and while it may be slower on a track, I've had fun tracking cars with half the power of a 328i, so hard to see it not being fun.

I am leaning towards the 8AT simply because it is a fantastic performer and eliminates the possibility of a missed shift (though that's only happened a couple of times in my 15 years of driving manuals). I will occasionally take clients to lunch in the vehicle and use it for family duty from time to time as well.

One of the big issues I've encountered with the F30 is the variance in wind/road noise between different F30's. Has anything ever been resolved on this or is it literally vehicle by vehicle? I've read a couple reviews complaining about it and a couple of others where the cars are near vault quiet. I've been in several and have two friends with F30s and one is pretty quiet the other is pretty noisy, its very odd.

Any reliability issues with the 2.0? Had does it compare with the 3.0 in terms of reliability?

Finally, I'm really struggling to distinguish between the changes in the BMW certified program. Some vehicles listed with a 100k warranty others with 75k and some listed as "elite". I really prefer a 100k warranty and maybe even willing to prepay for maintenance, depends on recommendations from you guys and what I read between now and then.

What else should I consider? Any and all input welcome! Time frame to buy is last half of April through Memorial Day weekend. Budget 38k, which means I probably shouldn't be looking at anything priced over 42k on a website. If I can find what I want in the 32 range that's even better!
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I used to get just under 30 mpg in my 335xi when I did a lot of highway driving, with avg speed around 75 mph, in comfort with sport chassis setting, never touching Eco pro. Consistently at least 28, Blended (90% highway, 10% local). So while the 328 will do a little better, the 335 does very well too.

I would definitely recommend DHP if you can get it, for both the suspension and VSS, with or without xDrive but like you said, especially with.. I would also definitely try and get the sport auto if you can.
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I used to get just under 30 mpg in my 335xi when I did a lot of highway driving, with avg speed around 75 mph, in comfort with sport chassis setting, never touching Eco pro. Consistently at least 28, Blended (90% highway, 10% local). So while the 328 will do a little better, the 335 does very well too.

I would definitely recommend DHP if you can get it, for both the suspension and VSS, with or without xDrive but like you said, especially with.. I would also definitely try and get the sport auto if you can.
I agree the 335i does amazing for its power, but then so does the 328. All things being equal 335 is a no brainer, but they're not equal. Pay 5k more, and a few more bucks each month for ins/fuel/maint.

But the 335 is also one helluva sleeper hot rod...
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I used to get just under 30 mpg in my 335xi when I did a lot of highway driving, with avg speed around 75 mph, in comfort with sport chassis setting, never touching Eco pro. Consistently at least 28, Blended (90% highway, 10% local). So while the 328 will do a little better, the 335 does very well too.

I would definitely recommend DHP if you can get it, for both the suspension and VSS, with or without xDrive but like you said, especially with.. I would also definitely try and get the sport auto if you can.
I agree the 335i does amazing for its power, but then so does the 328. All things being equal 335 is a no brainer, but they're not equal. Pay 5k more, and a few more bucks each month for ins/fuel/maint.

But the 335 is also one helluva sleeper hot rod...
I think this really comes down to a few variables beyond the difference sticker price. OP is buying used, so first off would be which holds its value better, ie what is the real price difference in a pre owned car that has already depreciated, probably not 5k anymore, but may be hard to assess given you would have to have same package, mileage, etc and only difference being the engine. Which leads me to my next point, brand new, depends on how you option it and whether you're leasing or buying. I optioned my 335 pretty loaded up and when I built a comparable 328, difference was not as much as 5K, more like 3 if I recall and since I leased it, came down to like 35 bucks a month... No brainer for me.
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- 328 with a Dinan tune will *roughly* equal a 335 in performance. It runs about $1700 for install and comes with its own warranty. All other things equal, the N20 gets slightly (very minimal) better MPG, and the car is lighter with 2 fewer cylinders. That sweet, beautiful turbo 6 in the 335 though...

- I was under the impression that the dreaded limp mode was related to just the N55, fwiw. Maybe that's not the case if anyone can chime in. If so, something to consider in favor of the N20.

- I run AWD with AS tires, but you can get away with RWD and good snows even in Colorado. RWD M-sport doesn't need DHP. You save $$ on not getting the DHP and not getting xDrive, and you'll save weight. I got xDrive because I live in Manhattan without a dedicated garage and have no interest in dealing with swapping tires and paying extra $ to store them at the dealership or otherwise. I also got the M sport for that front fascia/bumper and that sweet, sweet M sport steering wheel. That thing should be standard on every Bimmer. I really don't care that I essentially paid $3k for a steering wheel. Once I used one, there was no going back. Couldn't be added separately, although maybe I could have done a retrofit, but it's a lease, so...

- Not an Audi fan, and some of those engines should be avoided like the plague, CPO or otherwise. See http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/lon...ome-1683110437

- no idea about the Lexus other than what I've read (pretty tepid reviews for the most part, although an overall lovely car)
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Forgot to mention re: cabin noise. My F31 is very quiet - I'm very happy. Plenty of people with 3's say it's pretty loud though. As you said, it's really hit or miss. If you want to be reassured it won't be a problem, you need to move up in class all together (5 series, E class, A6 and above)
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The odds of finding an xDrive with DHP are just slightly above nil. Virtually the only way to get that combo is to order it. Because of that finding a used model will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

CPO Elite is an additional 1 yr/25k miles, totaling 5 yr/75k miles. It is intended for very low mileage, lightly used models such as retired loaners.

Starting in July 2014 model year 2015 and newer vehicles will only provide included maintenance to the original owner.

Starting in January 2014 newly CPO'd vehicles' protection plan coverage will only be transferable to subsequent owners via sales within the BMW authorized dealer network or in private party sales and there is a $200 fee to make the transfer in a private party sale.

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The odds of finding an xDrive with DHP are just slightly above nil. Virtually the only way to get that combo is to order it. Because of that finding a used model will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

CPO Elite is an additional 1 yr/25k miles, totaling 5 yr/75k miles. It is intended for very low mileage, lightly used models such as retired loaners.

Starting in July 2014 model year 2015 and newer vehicles will only provide included maintenance to the original owner.

Starting in January 2014 newly CPO'd vehicles' protection plan coverage will only be transferable to subsequent owners via sales within the BMW authorized dealer network or in private party sales and there is a $200 fee to make the transfer in a private party sale.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...eoverride=true
I really don't want to have to go to two sets of wheels/tires again. I suppose I could and if we moved to CO I would be selling the Z06 but man its such a hassle...especially when good AS tires are pretty damn good.

So the elite adds bumper to bumper coverage and maint for an additional year or 25k miles?

I'm seeing a lot of CPO cars with the 100k mile warranty I was familiar with and a few of these "elites" thrown in which seem like a worse warranty?
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If you're considering an A6, you should add the Cadillac CTS V-Sport to your list. I test drove one yesterday. Amazing car dynamically. In fact, I am considering either a 335 or the V-Sport as my next car.
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If you're considering an A6, you should add the Cadillac CTS V-Sport to your list. I test drove one yesterday. Amazing car dynamically. In fact, I am considering either a 335 or the V-Sport as my next car.
I agree completely but can't get one for 38k
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I really don't want to have to go to two sets of wheels/tires again. I suppose I could and if we moved to CO I would be selling the Z06 but man its such a hassle...especially when good AS tires are pretty damn good.

So the elite adds bumper to bumper coverage and maint for an additional year or 25k miles?

I'm seeing a lot of CPO cars with the 100k mile warranty I was familiar with and a few of these "elites" thrown in which seem like a worse warranty?
I think most Coloradans here would tell you that you need winter tires regardless of rwd or xDrive.

The CPO protection plan is not an extension of the new car warranty and it is not as comprehensive. It never has been. And it does not extend the maintenance plan. The CPO Elite coverage is the same as the regular CPO, it's just half as long.
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S4 or 335....none of the others. Lots of guys on Audizine either currently own 335's or have. Ask you Q's there also.
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I agree completely but can't get one for 38k
Understood and agreed. I've seen them in the low $40k range, especially the non-Premium model.
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I think most Coloradans here would tell you that you need winter tires regardless of rwd or xDrive.

The CPO protection plan is not an extension of the new car warranty and it is not as comprehensive. It never has been. And it does not extend the maintenance plan. The CPO Elite coverage is the same as the regular CPO, it's just half as long.
So you guys just have two sets of wheels? One for Apr-Oct and the other set for the colder mos?
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So you guys just have two sets of wheels? One for Apr-Oct and the other set for the colder mos?
I'm in Chicago and that's what I do.
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If you don't have space to store tires go for the S4, or the xdrive. IMO, AWD with a great all season set should be appropriate for 80% of conditions, any worse and you shouldn't be driving a sports sedan. I would budget money for a dinan suspension swap asap, stock xdrive suspension is really not great. I swapped mine out at 2000 miles on my car.

As for 328I vs. 335I, I would go for the 335I. Don't get me wrong, the 328I is great and mine puts down the same #s as a stock 335i, but the N55 is a more proven motor, more room for power, more refined.
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If you don't have space to store tires go for the S4, or the xdrive. IMO, AWD with a great all season set should be appropriate for 80% of conditions, any worse and you shouldn't be driving a sports sedan. I would budget money for a dinan suspension swap asap, stock xdrive suspension is really not great. I swapped mine out at 2000 miles on my car.

As for 328I vs. 335I, I would go for the 335I. Don't get me wrong, the 328I is great and mine puts down the same #s as a stock 335i, but the N55 is a more proven motor, more room for power, more refined.
I'm not sure space will be an issue? It certainly isn't an issue where we live now. We've got a large lot and a large house and a massive garage. Moving to Denver, we'd have to downsize but not to the point of not having space for a set of wheels/tires if it came to that. Just a pain in the ass. But I'd do it like I did with my mazda and time it with oil changes twice a year.

The suspension swap is an interesting proposition. I'd consider doing something like that as the stock shocks/struts began to get close to replacement and it didn't significantly alter the ride height of the vehicle. That would perhaps give me the ability to open my search up to M Sport XDrive knowing within 12 mos or so I'd swap the necessary parts. But I can't imagine that its cheap buying the parts or finding a dealer willing to install them.

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I'm not sure space will be an issue? It certainly isn't an issue where we live now. We've got a large lot and a large house and a massive garage. Moving to Denver, we'd have to downsize but not to the point of not having space for a set of wheels/tires if it came to that. Just a pain in the ass. But I'd do it like I did with my mazda and time it with oil changes twice a year.

The suspension swap is an interesting proposition. I'd consider doing something like that as the stock shocks/struts began to get close to replacement. That would perhaps give me the ability to open my search up to M Sport XDrive knowing within 12 mos or so I'd swap the necessary parts. But I can't imagine that its cheap buying the parts or finding a dealer willing to install them.
I live in an apartment/condo but luckily I have a nice big storage closet to store tires, unfortunately most people don't so that is why space to store tires and other parts is an issue for certain folks. If you do have space, then that's great to have extra storage for car parts.

I bought the springs+bump stops for $400, paid $250 to install, worth every penny. You'd have to find an aftermarket shop because dinan/bmw quotes a ridiculous like 8-10 hours for the job. Or install yourself. IMO, it transforms stock floaty buick-like xdrive to something much more dialed in with less body roll, looks great, easy to live with.

If you can't find a DHP xdrive or aren't willing to do the above, I'd get an S4 or a RWD, and swap winter tires on it.
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So you guys just have two sets of wheels? One for Apr-Oct and the other set for the colder mos?
I'm in Chicago and that's what I do.
+1 in NY, for both of our vehicles. I would imagine this is even more necessary in CO.
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So you guys just have two sets of wheels? One for Apr-Oct and the other set for the colder mos?
Yup. Should be law. I'd NEVER buy a used BMW. EVER.
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If you don't have space to store tires go for the S4, or the xdrive. IMO, AWD with a great all season set should be appropriate for 80% of conditions, any worse and you shouldn't be driving a sports sedan. I would budget money for a dinan suspension swap asap, stock xdrive suspension is really not great. I swapped mine out at 2000 miles on my car.

As for 328I vs. 335I, I would go for the 335I. Don't get me wrong, the 328I is great and mine puts down the same #s as a stock 335i, but the N55 is a more proven motor, more room for power, more refined.
Bad advice on tires. Google it. All season tires ????? On a 335 or S4???
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